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submitted 9 months ago by spaceghoti@lemmy.one to c/politics@lemmy.ml

The term “Separation of Powers” was coined by the 18th century philosopher Montesquieu. Separation of powers is a model that divides the government into separate branches, each of which has separate and independent powers. By having multiple branches of government, this system helps to ensure that no one branch is more powerful than another. Typically, this system divides the government into three branches: the Legislative Branch, the Executive Branch, and the Judicial Branch. The United States federal government and forty states divide their governments into these three branches.

In the federal government, Article 1 of the United States Constitution establishes the Legislative Branch, which consists of Congress. Congress, in addition to other enumerated responsibilities, is responsible for creating laws. As a general rule, the nondelegation doctrine prohibits the Legislative Branch from delegating its lawmaking responsibilities. Congress can, however, provide agencies with regulatory guidelines if it provides them with an “intelligible principle” to base their regulations on. For more information on the Legislative Branch, refer to “Congress.”

Article 2 of the United States Constitution establishes the Executive Branch, which consists of the President. The President approves and carries out the laws created by the Legislative Branch. For more information on the Executive Branch, refer to “Executive Branch.”

Article 3 of the United States Constitution establishes the Judicial Branch, which consists of the United States Supreme Court. The Judicial Branch interprets the laws passed by the Legislative Branch. For more information on the Judicial Branch, refer to “Judiciary.”

Separation of Powers in the United States is associated with the Checks and Balances system. The Checks and Balances system provides each branch of government with individual powers to check the other branches and prevent any one branch from becoming too powerful. For example, Congress has the power to create laws, the President has the power to veto them, and the Supreme Court may declare laws unconstitutional. Congress consists of two houses: the Senate and the House of Representatives, and can override a Presidential veto with a 2/3 vote in both houses.

The Checks and Balances System also provides the branches with some power to appoint or remove members from the other branches. Congress can impeach and convict the president for high crimes, like treason or bribery. The House of Representatives has the power to bring impeachment charges against the President; the Senate has the power to convict and remove the President from office. In addition, Supreme Court candidates are appointed by the President and are confirmed by the Senate. Judges can be removed from office by impeachment in the House of Representatives and conviction in the Senate. In this way, the system provides a measure, in addition to invalidating laws, for each branch to check the others.

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[-] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 50 points 9 months ago

wow thanks none of us knew this

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[-] StalinwasaGryffindor@hexbear.net 47 points 9 months ago

Imagine defending a clearly broken undemocratic system set up by slave owners

[-] LibsEatPoop@hexbear.net 46 points 9 months ago

And how well does this work out to prevent slavery, colonisation, genocide, war etc. especially for the most marginalised and oppressed?

Maybe all it does is make rich people richer and people like you feel better about your powerlessness.

Look into proletarian democracy next if you want a better, still not perfect, but better system of governance for most people.

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[-] thoro@lemmy.ml 43 points 9 months ago

This is literally just bait and has no place in this community. Moderators should delete this on that grounds alone.

If it's allowed, then I wouldn't begrudge any Hexbear user(s) from spamming the comm with random political theory posts, especially those of the communist variety

[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 40 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

That's why I think it should be left up.

If someone wants to call us out, then we have the right to be able to argue against them.

Also it is literally the Politics channel so how can political theory posts be considered spam?

[-] thoro@lemmy.ml 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Yeah everyone should have that right, but I don't think it does anyone any favors to allow these type of posts on this comm.

It's one thing to invite dunking on yourself in the comments section of a topical post. It's another to create posts just for the sake of stoking inter instance drama in a comm not made for that.

[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 26 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Yeah that's true on the one hand, but on the other, I would leave it up just for accountability. It is about politics in every way, even if it has a meta nature.

Plus by leaving it up they get to show their ass and it invites people to come and explain how they are wrong.

[-] aebletrae@hexbear.net 22 points 9 months ago

Attempting to master baiting in public should certainly have consequences, but covering it up isn't going to make them stop.

[-] Doubledee@hexbear.net 19 points 9 months ago

Especially considering the poster doesn't seem to have any interest in either explaining or defending what it's supposed to mean. Like, I enjoy talking about politics as much as the next person but it doesn't look like OP wants to discuss anything.

[-] StalinwasaGryffindor@hexbear.net 17 points 9 months ago

They have fallen victim to the great purge so it’s possible they’ve replied but we can’t see them

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[-] jack@hexbear.net 40 points 9 months ago
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[-] WittyProfileName2@hexbear.net 38 points 9 months ago

Not a smart person, can someone explain:

Why is an electoral system where 2/3 of the house is unelected and the third branch is indirectly elected via an electoral college seen as democratic?

Like, I live in the UK so I can't really talk about antidemocratic systems gestures at the lords, but this doesn't seem like a system that allows for a person's vote to be worth much.

[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 20 points 9 months ago

That's the thing about it, its not very democratic and a person's vote isn't worth much by design

[-] WittyProfileName2@hexbear.net 9 points 9 months ago

I was hoping spaceghoti would have some sort of shitty justification for this bullshit.

Y'know some tyranny of the majority crap I could roast 'em over.

Seems they've been banned though.

[-] bigboopballs@hexbear.net 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Seems they've been banned though.

farquaad-point haw-haw!

[-] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 36 points 9 months ago

What I'll never be able to understand is why people seem to think that stuff like this is going to convince anybody to change their views on... well, anything, really.

All of this stuff is stuff that we've heard repeated ad nauseam in school, in educational video cassette children's cartoons, in political commentary on TV and in print editorials, in public speeches by government officials, in conversations with people we know, and so forth. Belief in the separation of powers and checks-and-balances being effective as implemented in a liberal democracy, is such an ingrained part of mainstream understanding of politics literally since early childhood, that anyone who believes to the contrary must necessarily already be familiar with the arguments for it, and have rejected them.

why can't mainland Puerto-Rican people vote for the legislative or executive branch?

why should the judicial branch exist?

[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 34 points 9 months ago
[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 34 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

jesse-wtf

Uhhhh what exactly are you hoping to achieve by posting this third grade level description of the US government structure?

Like what exactly are you responding to or hoping to achieve with this post?

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[-] WhyEssEff@hexbear.net 33 points 9 months ago
[-] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 31 points 9 months ago
[-] xXthrowawayXx@hexbear.net 30 points 9 months ago

Oh no, not the constitution!

Stay away fellow hexbears! Let my shrunken corncob shaped corpse be a warning to you all, this poster has the power of the constitution on their side!

[-] PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net 23 points 9 months ago

Hisssssssssss it burns it burns it burns

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[-] Ithorian@hexbear.net 29 points 9 months ago

meow-anarchist doesn't know what the fuck you're talking about.

[-] Farman@hexbear.net 26 points 9 months ago

Honestly this all sounds like arbitrary shit someone made up without proper justification or consideration.

All forms of goverment have checks and balances. How is this special?

All forms of goverment are a way to achive consensus amongst the rulling class. How is this different?

Why is this separation of powers the ideal one?

Why separate the legislative and the judiciary when there is a rich tradition of common law?

Why cant the executive act by commitie or in a decentralized way?

Are these "powers" actually autonomus or arbitrary constructions dependent on other institutions to act?

Why are these considered the central responsabilities of the state? Why cant the legislature and the judiciary be separate from the state like in the abassid era?

Why cant a workers party be a branch?

[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 20 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Cause the Founding Father's. Ever heard of them? Probably not. You have to have a very high IQ to know about them and how they are perfect.

Bet you didn't consider that did you tankie? smuglord

[-] comrade_pibb@hexbear.net 16 points 9 months ago

wtf i have been owned, tip of the hat good sir/ma'am

[-] Maoo@hexbear.net 26 points 9 months ago

I also enjoy light fiction on occasion.

Tell me about the freedom-loving slaveowner founding fathers next. The dang tea is taxed too high!

[-] Farman@hexbear.net 18 points 9 months ago

Other way around. The tea taxes are going down so smugling is no longer profitable.

[-] Maoo@hexbear.net 17 points 9 months ago

Let's do redface and throw ~~a car battery~~ tea into the ocean

[-] quicksand@lemm.ee 25 points 9 months ago

TIL there's only forty states in the US

[-] Ho_Chi_Chungus@hexbear.net 24 points 9 months ago

I'll be dead in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missouri, Idaho, South Dakota, Alaska, Rhode Island, Hawai'i, Utah, Indiana, Florida, or Maine!

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[-] aebletrae@hexbear.net 24 points 9 months ago
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[-] booty@hexbear.net 24 points 9 months ago

we know how the us government works, the problem is that the way it works is evil and must be changed for the good of humanity.

[-] PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net 23 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I also learned about the American government in sixth grade and then never thought about it again until this very moment

Fun fact: Did you know that a young George Washington chopped down a cherry tree?

[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 16 points 9 months ago

He could not tell a lie, but he could own slaves and make money on crooked land deals

[-] sharedburdens@hexbear.net 23 points 9 months ago

This is a democracy designed to represent slave owners, just like Athenian 'democracy'.

[-] brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 20 points 9 months ago

Quoting scripture of the Americas civil religion.

[-] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 18 points 9 months ago

Wouldn't the person trying to get Manchin to vote alongside other democrats be the party whip, which is a member of the legislature?

Honestly this comes off as comically pathetic attempt at a gotcha. Like "technically..." but youre just wrong about the facts.

[-] abc@hexbear.net 17 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Wow...this is the first time I'm hearing about this. Can you recommend some more reading if I'm interested in learning more??

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 17 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Lmao why are you explaining incredibly basic things even people outside of the US know and acting like you're saying something incredible and knowledgeable?

This is literally primary school content for 11 year olds. How old are you @spaceghoti@lemmy.one ? Why on earth do you think this is notable or worth raising and act like it's something everyone hasn't already heard before?

Have you read the Federalist Papers? Specifically number 10.

[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 15 points 9 months ago

Do not put your faith in such trinkets of deceit. Our ways are not your ways. And to you there shall be many strange things

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