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Jim Jordan Makes It Clear: The Biden Impeachment Inquiry Rests Entirely On a Widely Debunked Conspiracy Theory (www.mediaite.com)

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[–] Synthead@lemmy.world 82 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You know, it's kind of fascinating that this is happening. I fully believe they we should investigate wrongdoings, but Biden didn't storm the capitol, withhold supplies from Ukraine, store secret documents in his bathroom, etc. There's a bunch of Biden conspiracy theories that seem to never lose attention, but the things Trump is under scrutiny for is on public record.

Perhaps the "he did nothing wrong" rhetoric is so ingrained in some folks that they really think he was impeached and indicted for "no reason," therefore its just as legitimate to go after Biden for loose claims, too. Like maybe they simply can't flip on the switch that that lets them believe anything Trump has ever done was bad.

In my personal opinion, if you can't find 10 things you don't like about a politician, even ones you agree with, then you need to practice nuance and cognitive thought.

[–] letsalllovelain@discuss.tchncs.de 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's populism. Donald Trump everytime he speaks, speaks to his constituents. Joe Biden addresses the whole room. Donald gets to say "these people on this side, with the blue name tag, those folks are bring our society to its knees" where Joe has to play "some of those red-tagged folk don't like change." It's a lack of historical context that makes the same event repeat over and over again, and societies repeat the cycle over and over again.

Many prominent Greek philosophers, then Roman philosophers, then French philosophers (and in-between) thought that the power structure naturally drifted from Monarchy->Republic->Anarchy->Monarchy ad infinitum. But I think that the only true constant here is lack of context. This type of soft-balling, easy to chew bs that dems propogate isn't popular, it isn't compelling, it isn't dramatic. It is mostly geniune, even if geniuenly worthless. And that doesn't play to a crowd filled with people who are willing to accept the first idea that drift into their hearing range.

The only thing that wins is fighting fire with fire. And after a certain point, was it worth it? Wouldn't things just be better if it wasn't so damn complicated? Let us return to the Earth that we so desparately categorize ourself as without.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.one 67 points 1 year ago

Let's take this a point at a time:

"The first is Hunter Biden was put on the Burisma board."

Well that's true.

"Second, he was put on that board with no qualifications."

That's false. He previously served on the board of Amtrak, appointed by President George W. Bush.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/hunter-biden-amtrak-tom-carper-joe-biden-2024-beau

"Third, Burisma, asked him, can you weigh in with DC to relieve the pressure we’re under from the prosecution, from the prosecutor here in Ukraine?"

That's false. The prosecutor in Ukraine was FAILING to investigate corruption, that's why the IMF wanted him removed. That's why the Ukranian ambassador from the US wanted him removed. That's why 100 members of Ukranian parliament wanted him removed.

https://www.rferl.org/a/why-was-ukraine-top-prosecutor-fired-viktor-shokin/30181445.html

https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-imf-demand-poroshenko-corruption/27545849.html

https://www.ft.com/content/e1454ace-e61b-11e9-9743-db5a370481bc

"And fourth, Joe Biden did just that. He leveraged our tax money to get the prosecutor fired."

That's true, after multiple levels of both the US and Ukranian governments asked for it to happen. Biden got it done.

"And that fourth fact is, is validation of what the confidential human source said in the 1023 form. So that is what is central to this case."

No, it isn't. The 1023 form is a statement of "someone told us x", it has no validation.

[–] bostonbananarama@lemmy.world 55 points 1 year ago

The entire Republican party is a widely debunked conspiracy theory.

[–] Ghyste@sh.itjust.works 37 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Gym's never heard a conspiracy theory he didn't like.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.one 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Unless the conspiracy involves child sexual abuse in an athetic program...

[–] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

In that case Gym has never heard about such a thing in his life.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

All they want is their ~~talking~~ yelling point to put on Fox.

[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If they didn't have their culture wars, they'd have no culture at all.

[–] Wodge@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I've seen more interesting culture in a discarded yogurt pot.

[–] theostermanweekend@lemmy.ml 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You know....just bums me how the GOP is wasting out time with shit like this and with shit like trump, instead of working on actual problems like the environment, corporate malfeasance etc. Don't @me. I'm just venting.

[–] Entropywins@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

None of those are problems for the GOP...

[–] persolb@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They are problems for them… even if they want to pretend those problems are hoaxes.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

I don’t think they are, though. They’re working together. And sometimes, they’re simply the same people.

[–] DrPop@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago

But just time, taxpayer money, I already had I help find the war machine.

[–] thisisawayoflife@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

THE Jim Jordan? The Jim Jordan that ignored and whitewashed child sex abuse?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Believe it or not, yes.

[–] argo_yamato@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago

Makes sense since facts are "woke" to Republicans and conspiracy theories are for "real men"

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I'm not American. But I do wish the United States would be more united again.

Feels like a one-step forward, three-steps back sort of deal for a while now. Not what you want seeing happen to friends

[–] keeb420@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

How can anyone unite with these fucksticks who want to turn America into a christofascist country.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago

The inherent problem is this:

Republicans in power:
"We're the majority! Elections have consequences! You have to do it OUR way or YOU aren't being 'bipartisan'!"

Republicans not in power:
"We're the minority! You have to do it OUR way or YOU aren't being 'bipartisan'!"

Democrats:
"We COULD call them out on their bullshit, but that would be 'uncivil'. When they go low, we go high..." And get their asses kicked from below.