Sounds much cheaper than what they pay to stay at his hotels.
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I think you mean much cheaper than what WE pay for them to stay at his hotel. That's tax payers' money. Fuck that guy.
I’m good with that. Lock him the fuck up.
The current record for number of US presidental votes received while in prison is about 1,000,000. Eugene V. Debs is the record holder, and that election was in 1920. Trump just may beat him this year. There is no law that says you can't be president while in prison.
It's not like Trump is going to prison for this. He's old, has no record, and did serve as president, regardless of how people feel about it. Plus, he's going to appeal, which means this thing will drag on long enough to still not matter, sadly.
In the state of New York, you serve time while awaiting appeal. If the judge opts to remand him to house arrest, which I think is the most likely outcome, his ass is staying put until his next court date.
That’s incorrect. It’s at the discretion of the judge to mandate imprisonment, place the felon on home confinement, subject to a curfew, or allow posting bail while awaiting appeal in NY.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-is-convicted-felon-now-what-2024-05-30/
NYS BAR Association: https://nysba.org/NYSBA/Publications/LegalEASE%20Pamphlet%20Series/PUBS_LegalEase_YourRIghtsToAppealInCriminalCase_final.pdf
Bear in mind that the sentence imposed by the lower court will go into effect while the appeal is being considered by the appellate court unless the trial judge or appellate court stays the sentence or a part of it (orders that it not go into effect). The order staying the judgment of conviction and sentence may include a requirement to post bail.
The “unless” (emphasis mine) is the operative word. The trial judge can choose to exercise discretion, but is under no requirement to specify any changes upon receiving an appeal.
That is to say, the default procedure is, as I said above, the convicted party serves their sentence during the time the appeal is being processed and considered.
You’re technically correct, but your comment may have mislead others to think remaining incarcerated was likely. It’s far more common to allow for exceptions during appeal of a nonviolent crime. He’ll also gain favor as a former President, as the judge will determine eligibility based on character and previous record.
With that being said, I don’t think sentencing will include prison time, due to the fact that they’re nonviolent class E felonies. I hope I’m wrong.
He will also likely never go to a real prison. I hate that draft dodging piece of garbage, and it warms my crusty, veteran heart that now since he is a felon he is not allowed to be buried with military honors and any honors he receives are illegitimate, but he was a president and thus exploded to a lot of classified information.
His bitch ass would sing like a canary if he was in Gen pop and we would lose even more security because of it. Him being in his own private island like Napoleon (2nd time) would be ideal. Let him sit there in isolation, get his meals, and fade away into nothing.
Then he has hell to look forward to, along with all his supporters.
That's assuming they actually sentence him to any kind of confinement and not just a really big fine (that he can't and won't pay anyway).
I mean, that judge is NOT happy with Trump, and has already lamented the fact that fines mean nothing to him.
Ooh this is an interesting point! I wonder if the continual fines having no effect to stop him from violating the gag order will give the judge a very defensible reason to sentence for something other than a fine.
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But we can still hope
He has a record. He also was convicted of ~~rape~~ sexual assault and also defaming said woman twice.
No, he had a sexual abuse charge, not rape. None of the above was a criminal charge, only civil.
"Judge clarifies: Yes, Trump was found to have raped E Jean Carroll."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/19/trump-carroll-judge-rape/
Whilst sexual assault is terrible we must remember that was determined only on the balance of probabilities and not beyond reasonable doubt.
It may seem like a distinction without a difference, but it's an important part of our legal system.
Exactly. I'm not defending Trump in any way shape or form. But spreading misinformation, disregarding nuance, and ignoring factual details is dangerous and exactly what Republican politicians want. We need to be better than that as a nation.
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Yes but he also disrespected the court (falling to sleep and badmouthing people on social media), shows no remorse (claiming innocence despite a unanimous jury) had 34 charges against him (all unanimous) and did it to trick his way into the highest position in office. Which should all be considered when sentencing.
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There is no law that says you can’t be president while in prison.
This is so a ruling leader can't imprison all his competition and thus win another election by default.
Agreed. But in this specific case it's frustrating.
Would be a good thing if the service were denied to convicted felons. Go a long way to legitimizing it
I wonder why? It's not like anything bad ever happens to high-profile inmates, just ask Jeffery Epstein...
Obligatory /s
When will Harambe's curse leave us.
Not enough people whipped it out.
We’re forever doomed until the mass flashing event that frees of us our sins.
Except here his kids will turn on him like they have been raised to do. No one close to him really cares about him.
Whyyy are we still posting paywall'd links to places???
Because actual journalism costs money.
I'd agree but there is a lot of "actual journalism" that is freely accessible. ProPublica, for example.
Is their funding method viable for every single journalism outlet though? Or maybe there better question would be, for every article posted, is there a 501c3 (or otherwise sustainably funded) news outlet that has published coverage on the same story?
I'm not disagreeing or agreeing with you, I'm just writing out some of my own indecision on the topic. Journalism is vitally important but it seems like it's very difficult for people to make a living doing it and I don't know what the answer is.
I understand your question but it doesn't address my initial question: why are we posting paywalled links to public news? ~~Everyone was reporting on this,~~(Edit: I may be wrong about that) I'm sure there is a free independent news source that has a similar article, so why are we putting up a paywall link to a NYT article? Wouldn't it be more effective to post a link everyone could access?
Edit: I am now going to look and see if there's anyone else reporting this, if it is exclusive to NYT, great, but each day I see a interesting article only to get halfway through and get hit with a "money please!" paywall.
That's fair. I was definitely using your question to voice something I have been thinking about for a while, more than actually addressing it/you specifically. Sorry about that.
Real paywall (text not sendet) is rare, you can see the full article by disabling JS in your obligatory adblock extension.
Doesn't seem to work here, the "show more" button doesn't work.
I oversaw that there's more, my bad.
Good.
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