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Spotify CEO Daniel Ek sparked an online backlash after a social media post in which he said the cost of creating "content" is "close to zero".

The boss of the streaming giant said in a post on X: "Today, with the cost of creating content being close to zero, people can share an incredible amount of content. This has sparked my curiosity about the concept of long shelf life versus short shelf life.

"While much of what we see and hear quickly becomes obsolete, there are timeless ideas or even pieces of music that can remain relevant for decades or even centuries.

"Also, what are we creating now that will still be valued and discussed hundreds or thousands of years from today?"

Music fans and musicians were quick to call Ek out, with one user, composer Tim Prebble, saying: "Music will still be valued in a hundred years. Spotify won't. It will only be remembered as a bad example of a parasitic tool for extracting value from other peoples music. (or "content" as some grifters like to call it)."

Musicians weighed in too, with Primal Scream bassist Simone Marie Butler saying: "Fuck off you out of touch billionaire."

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[–] overload@sopuli.xyz 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Content can cost nothing, if you're talking a podcast made in your bedroom. You get fleeced when putting it on streaming services though, as far as I know there is no free way of getting your stuff on Spotify, as you need to pay an aggregator (a middleman rent seeker that we don't complain about enough) to do so.

[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

From a certain angle even that perspective is a little bit unfair because you can invest a massive amount of your very valuable time into a project that only technically has a zero dollar production cost on paper.

If you chose to produce a podcast instead of working towards a promotion at your job, your opportunity cost could be quite high even though it’s not reflected anywhere. Nowhere besides the high quality of your show.

[–] overload@sopuli.xyz 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Absolutely, I've got music on Spotify and well aware of the costs of mixing and mastering, as well as the sacrifice you make in terms of playing poorly paid gigs, and the opportunity cost just by creating music.

The Spotify CEOs take is so far out when you consider that if just super budget content was on the platform, people wouldn't use it or at least wouldn't pay for it.

[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Good on you for putting goodness out in the world!

[–] overload@sopuli.xyz 2 points 5 months ago
[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

Well don't just tweet. Put those fingers to frets and show us how little it really costs you fucken igit.

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

Every picture of Daniel Ek looks like an evil henchman thinking he's about to deliver good news to his boss, with the stinger being the boss is about tell him that he has completely fucked up.

[–] the_dopamine_fiend@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

Also, nice Primal Scream spotlight.

[–] bpev@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

Oshit TIL I only spent money on my album because I'm a dumbass. If I were smart and produced it for free, I could have a whole $10 of net Spotify revenue.

[–] nifty@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

“… what are we creating now that will still be valued and discussed hundreds or thousands of years from today?”

Well, there’s very little chance of memorable art to come into existence if artists are not paid fairly. Art takes time and effort, even for geniuses. If someone’s worried about becoming homeless or whatever, they’re not going to focus on their craft at the expense of health and safety, and even if they do what they produce will be suboptimal or unfocused.

So what’s the fair value of such things? I suppose there’s a number of ways to determine that, but it doesn’t matter if the platform that’s hosting an artist is not acting in good faith nor practicing fairness. Really, there should be an open source version of Spotify.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm starting to look for alternatives. Do y'all have any recommendations? I'm looking into Deezer, but was wondering if there were better more artist friendly services?

[–] Psychonaut1969@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

bandcamp is one of the better ones for artists.

[–] westyvw@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Seems like every time I look at internet companies the first thing that comes to mind is why is the labor not forming a collective?

If the artists owned the distribution via a artists collective at least the profits would be split up in some more fair fashion.

Same with food delivery.

Same with Video production and delivery (peer to peer with each creator adding a node if you want to go that route).

Same with car driving services

and so on.

Edit: i never thought that I would get a downvote on lemmy for suggesting maximum money and ownership in a product by the authors but here we are, lol!

[–] beefbot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 5 months ago

Idk how to tell you that lemmy proooobably isn’t all humans who have reasonable opinions at this point

[–] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 1 points 5 months ago

I wonder how this pest values his own labor

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