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submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) by spujb@lemmy.cafe to c/politicalmemes@lemmy.world
 

no one fucking told me about states banning RCV during all that yapping on here about how i should VOTE THIRD PARTY OR ELSE IM COMPLICIT in the DNCs CRIMES

it may or may not be joever, very blackpilled at this moment

edit it’s actually 10 states. 5 in the past two months.

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[–] CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world 64 points 5 months ago (7 children)

Union busting

Rolling back regulations

The list goes on....

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 26 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

A small correction:

Rolling back regulations that don't benefit their agenda

They're pretty fucking happy to introduce new ones and leave existing ones alone when it serves to fuck over the average citizen or LGBTQ+ community.

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[–] Cosmos7349@lemmy.world 41 points 5 months ago (5 children)

States have banned ranked choice voting??? wtf why???

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 64 points 5 months ago (2 children)

ostensible answer:

“We believe in the one person, one vote system of elections that our country was founded upon,” Missouri state Sen. Ben Brown, the ballot measure’s sponsor, said in an interview.

Brown and other critics of ranked choice voting contend the system is confusing, and he said there are numerous instances in which voters didn’t end up ranking their choices.

real answer: republicans don’t win as much when rcv is in place.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 23 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

I hate slogans like "one person, one vote" or "innocent until proven guilty" because so many people treat them as principles in themselves rather catchy names for principles that are much more nuanced than those names suggest. It doesn't matter how many "votes" a person has the ability to cast so long as everyone is given an equally opportunity to influence the outcome of an election.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

Another one I hate is "Let me ask a simple yes or no question:" Proceeds to ask a very complex question with a lot of nuance

Then, when the person tries to clarify the person asking just says "I just want a yes or a no."

Both parties do it, and it's just scoring political points every time.

[–] BluesF@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

Yes as long as it isnt one person 8 votes another person 9. Although, the electoral college somewhat is that anyway... A vote in one state is not equivalent to a vote in another.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

To paraphrase Reservoir Dogs: Senator Brown sounds an awful lot like Senator Shit..

[–] TheFunkyMonk@lemmy.world 25 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Because it’s progress. Shockingly, the five states that have banned it are red.

[–] choco_crispies@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

All ten states that have banned it are red, and the ones that have it on the upcoming ballot are as well.

https://www.npr.org/2024/06/05/nx-s1-4969563/ranked-choice-voting-bans

Edit: added link

[–] Paprika@lemmy.cafe 25 points 5 months ago

Because with ranked choice people can vote for Jane the Socialist but also pencil in a secondary, begrudging vote for Joe Biden. They want lefties to split their vote. They want a vote for the Greens to be a loss for the Democrats. Ranked choice kind of negates that.

[–] hannes3120@feddit.de 12 points 5 months ago

If you can rank your votes and have multiple options available you actually have to stand for something in order for people to vote for you.

Being against another party is not enough in such a system since there are more options available.

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

Can you guess which party that holds a tenuous grasp over their constituents via fear would not want them having the option of voting for other people that might more closely align with their ideals and morals?

I mean, technically it's both parties at this point, but Republicans know that RCV will be the absolute death of the current version of their party which has devolved into little more than a reactionary ultranationalist faction.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 34 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Why would they ban ranked choice? Oh right, because they'd absolutely never get elected if they couldn't cheat with the current gerrymandered hell they've built.

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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 26 points 5 months ago (16 children)

Forgot to add:

  • The Electoral College
  • Congressional apportionment
  • The Senate
[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 5 points 5 months ago

thanks i made this in a rush and definitely could have put more details :)

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[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's a failed democratic republic that's sliding into fascism.

[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

fascism is an amoral slide tackle to democratic republics

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

SCOTUS nullifying literally all the progressive laws intended to protect the people.

How in the actual hell did we go from justices like Hugo Black who was a straight up KKK member but switched sides and became one of the most liberal judges in American history, to the likes of Brett Kavanaugh who spends his free time getting drunk

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Nah, state laws get reversed all the time - not by the judiciary, but simply by the next legislature. Obviously definitely fight for RCV and fair representation tooth and nail, but there's no need to go full blackpilled. We're still in the running!

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What is “anti-electoral disinformation”

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 14 points 5 months ago (45 children)

“don’t vote because it makes you complicit in your oppression” and similar

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

Ah, gotcha. Thanks.

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[–] ilost7489@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 months ago (8 children)

It's a system designed to keep the 2 parties in power. Voting third party means your vote is effectively wasted in a FPTP system

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