The memes of the climate

I do, but like most other people, I'm preoccupied with short term crises since, well, I need to survive those in order to be ready for the long-term ones.

In my opinion though, we don't stand a snowball's chance in hell. The elite will manage to hang just a bit longer, but eventually they'll cook and burn with the rest of us, or in their bunkers.

Anyways, shit's already fucked to the point that I've given up. Just sit back, relax and take whatever life gives ya.

Drop everything

... and? Panic? Die?

I mean, I get the desperation. But drop everything and…do what?

Calling for a massive strike is one thing. But just “drop everything” with no follow up is a weird reaction. It sounds way too much like, “drop everything and panic.” Not “sacrifice everything to try to save what we can of the livable world.”

Yeah I've understood since high school, what the fuck do you want me to do about it when I can barely keep myself and my family alive as is?

Okay. I just want to slam on the brakes here, just a little.... Just a little slam.

There's a LOT of personal blame going around in these comments. As if everyone who ever had burned any fossil fuels ever is somehow personally responsible for everything that's currently happening.

Here's some news, we've been burning shit for more than a millennia. People, in and of themselves, don't require so much heat and energy to create a problem. At least not individually. As a whole, small problem. Individually, microscopic problem at most.

Everyone seems to have fallen into this trap of everyone being personally responsible for the climate change. The vast majority of the issue is companies. Everyone wants to point at trucks and delivery vehicles and whatnot as major contributors when they do talk about contributions from companies, and you're still way off base. It's not even the air traffic that's the problem. It's the fucking boats. Nobody thinks about it, because nobody sees it. Either the boats are off at sea, or they're docked in some yard, away from your vision. 90% of the time, they're sailing. When they're sailing, they're operating the motors 24/7. Each ship, when operating, will consume more fuel in an hour than any one person would use in a year.

Since it's mostly unregulated international waters, who are they reporting any of that shit to? So they don't.

Yes. Climate change is real. Yes, we, personally, should be doing what we can to curb it. The fact is, if all of us did everything possible (switching to all renewable power, using EVs and all renewable powered appliances, etc) it would barely make a dent. All of the "personal responsibility" arguments are just a smokescreen from the big, very guilty corporations, to victim blame the public into turning on eachother so they can continue to destroy the environment unchecked. Based on these comments, they're succeeding.

I'm not saying to not be mad. Be mad, get angry. Just be mad at the right people here. I'm not evil because I drive my 1.5L 4cyl sedan to the grocery once a week, and have a natural gas water heater. Sure, I should change that, and I'm sure I will be changing that when I can, but I'm not the problem. The greenhouse gasses I emit over my lifetime won't offset the emissions of transport ships in a single year.

Just.... Be mad at the right people. Stop making people feel bad for being given bad options because the automotive industry actively and knowingly rejected electric vehicles due to how deep they were with the oil industry. So people had to buy internal combustion vehicles because there literally was no other option at the time. I've had my car since 2014. In 2014, the model S (the only model at the time), was $70k USD to start. I didn't have $70k USD to spend on a car (I still don't). I spent less than one-quarter of that price on my vehicle, and I was barely able to afford it over a 5 year finance. Yet, based on these comments, I should be ashamed that I can't afford a BEV? Or that I live too far from everything that I can't ride a bike or something?

Come on people. You know who is really at fault here. Let's just be angry at the right people.

climate scientists have already lit themselves on fire trying to warn people and it didn’t actually do anything

people are too religious to believe in science

Drop everything and do what exactly

I know. I'm in my early 40ies and have been trying all my life to convince people around me and do what I could. But with time, I learned about the fraud that is plastic recycling and how capitalism is really not interested at all into solving the issue. My city is fining people for putting recyclables in the trash, but the recycling centres are full and they themselves trash the recycling. What matters is short term profits and virtue signalling. What matters is to look green. Just buy electric cars and everything will be good, apparently. Buy green! But don't stop buying!

Then a pandemic happened and people disappointed me en masse. We could see the changes in the environment and in ways we could live, but most people were "EaGeR To GeT BaCk To ThEiR RoUtInE", even if it meant commuting 5 days a week to the office, just to "resume" the economy. What mattered was not other people, it was the economy. Even when they forced us to stay inside with curfews, people couldn't go out to run/walk in the evening, they barred unvaccinated people from stores (I'm vaccinated 4 times but it's still not okay), it was all for the economy and to save the system, not the people. And if you had a minor disagreement with this, you were a grandma killer for wanting to go cycling at night. Then we went back to our routines and nothing will ever change. People are whining because of paper straws and want the plastic back. And all this straw stupidity is not even important on the grand scheme of things. Most people don't want to change anything. Most people will not vote for change. The system does not have any incentive to change.

I never owned a car and everyone around me is telling me how great they are and how I should definitely buy one because it's useful and practical. I would have total absolution! Some people here are vociferously fighting against active and public transit, and the government is actually cutting public transit funding. People are yelling at me when I trash some plastic instead of putting it in the recycle bin, then they drive away in their car that generates literal tons of toxic fumes and greenhouse gases in the air, accusing me of not caring.

I gave up a few years ago. We will deserve most of it.

Don't worry, the rich will eat well and survive, with their private security forces willing to kill others, while the poor will starve and die. We'll have rations and curfews but it will all be for the good of the ~~people~~ economy. Just like in the pandemic, It will be an effort of the poor, to save the rich. That's what we want. You just have to become rich before it happens.

Saving the environment? In this economy?

When did this place turn into r/collapse on Reddit?

I bet this is also somehow the immigrants' fault. /s

(Looking at you, right-wing voters in EU. ò.ó )

I read an article on the internet that says you're wrong, and it's chemtrails and 5G. And Big Pharma.

And solar. And wind mills. And what they did to General Lee. And Aunt Jemima.

Do your research, sheeple!

Do you understand?

No.

While I get the sentiment and believe action is necessary, this is the wrong way to approach it. Panic is not the way we will solve this crisis.

There's a way out, and if we get through we'll be in a better place than we've ever been. We need to mass invest in green technology. Solar, wind, nuclear, throw everything at it and see what sticks. Solar is already on the right track to save us, but it's better if it goes even faster and have a few back up plans.

Sorry but fuck you doomerist cunts. No, we are not gonna have an easy time AT ALL. But giving up plays right into hands of corporations and governments destroying our planet. Every single improvement we are able to push through will limit suffering.

If we do nothing and completely give up, we will never know what suffering we could have prevented. I know it is not easy and things are not looking good. If we had not fought for some of the improvements we were able to push through, things would have been even worse than they are right now. Every. Single. Thing. Helps.

Don't even let these evil fucking cunts win no matter how hard they kick and scream and destroy stuff.

Already happening in some places. The future is here, it's just not evenly distributed.

Oh well, poor alphas. As millenial we had horrible economy with a pandemics an 2 recessions, but this is going to be several levels worse.

There's a actually a super interesting explanation (and time will tell how accurate that explanation is) regulations from 2020 limited how much sulfur dioxide ships could emit and it turns out the sulfur dioxide was actually creating a slight cooling effect, so now we're experiencing the full brunt of our existing emissions as the world climate rubber bands to where it would have been if ships weren't spewing toxic sulfur dioxide into the atmosphere. So presumably this recent trend will stabilize at some point and we'll have our new normal

This is also why geoengineering is so extremely risky. If you ever stop for any reason the climate will rubberband to where it should have been rapidly

https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-024-01442-3

You think affluent capitalists care? Lol, they're probably trying to figure out how to make money out of this.

We can currently choose between:

• climate change causing drought, heat, rain, flooding and storms with hail or tornados;
• biodiversity loss preventing pollinating our food and capturing carbon (see climate change);
• nuclear war in a politically unstable world;
• tyrannic forms of government threatening our freedom;
• underpaid slave labour in a capitalistic society, also threatening our freedom;
• no way to divert that incoming meteor;
• business as usual causing the next pandemic;
• more old than young people leading to less care and less work altogether;
• AI taking over the world;
• any mix of the above leading to a collapse of society. Feel free to expand.

So what you are saying is that there is a chance we'll get to tan like this?

One step near to robocop