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Bought a new pack of a hair product which now uses 6% less natural ingredients and is no longer vegan (lemmy.zip)

submitted 3 weeks ago by Blizzard@lemmy.zip to c/mildlyinteresting@lemmy.world

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[-] Ephera@lemmy.ml 136 points 3 weeks ago

My bet is on beeswax for the non-vegan ingredient.

[-] SanderTuit@lemmy.world 48 points 3 weeks ago

You would be right. I have the same packs. I don't know if I bought old stock, but I bought the pack with the blue lid recently, the black lid pack is older.

The black lid pack contains bee wax and more water than the blue lid pack (64% vs 57% of the natural ingredients).

[-] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 20 points 3 weeks ago

Probably this and a synthetic emulsifier/surfactant or the like.

[-] ricdeh@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

That would be vegan though

[-] restingboredface@sh.itjust.works 22 points 3 weeks ago

It depends. Many vegans see any product that "exploits" animals as nonvegan. That includes things like down feathers, wool and honey.

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[-] JASN_DE@lemmy.world 18 points 3 weeks ago

Not a natural ingredient though.

[-] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 3 weeks ago

And beeswax is an animal product.

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[-] ShaunaTheDead@fedia.io 98 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

"Matt" paste? Isn't it "matte" or am I taking crazy pills again?

Edit: What the fuck... It's spelled differently in the UK, the US, and Canada (where I'm from). It's matte in Canada, mat in US, and matt in the UK.

From the Government of Canada website: https://www.noslangues-ourlanguages.gc.ca/en/writing-tips-plus/matte-mat-matt

[-] PrimeErective@startrek.website 149 points 3 weeks ago

Pretty sure it's matte in the US, too

[-] MeaanBeaan@lemmy.world 85 points 3 weeks ago

Seconded. Literally have never seen it spelled mat.

[-] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 weeks ago

"Mat" is a small rug usually for wiping shoes on. "Matt" is a boy's name, short for Matthew. "Matte" means the opposite of glossy.

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[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 64 points 3 weeks ago

It's definitely matte in the USA.

[-] papalonian@lemmy.world 45 points 3 weeks ago

Thirding the notion that it's definitely not "mat" in the US. A mat is something you put on the ground, Matt is my cousin's ex-fiance, and matte is a surface finish with little to no shine.

Really don't know what people say English is hard to learn, we use the same word for so many things that there's fewer words to learn /s

[-] Zerlyna@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

Why waste time say lots words when few words do trick?

[-] papalonian@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

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[-] Steve@startrek.website 20 points 3 weeks ago

USA here- matte

[-] steal_your_face@lemmy.ml 17 points 3 weeks ago

It’s matte in the US. I think the manufacturer is just being silly

[-] ColonelPanic@lemm.ee 16 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

From the UK. I've never seen matte spelled as matt. CA, UK and AU are generally pretty close with spelling, whereas the US is usually off doing its own thing. It's a similar thing to blonde and blond.

[-] Rivalarrival 20 points 3 weeks ago

Blonde = female; blond = male

[-] spaduf@slrpnk.net 10 points 3 weeks ago

But that's the french's fault.

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[-] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

Now I'm not saying anything, but I dated a Matt, and he did produce a lot of paste... I'd have to run the numbers to see if it's viable for mass-production though.

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[-] otp@sh.itjust.works 86 points 3 weeks ago

Poor matt

[-] Mango@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago

I'm the non vegan ingredient.

[-] TechAnon@lemm.ee 9 points 2 weeks ago

Matt's just fine, what do you think they made the paste out of? "Is that hair gel?"

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[-] The2b@lemmy.vg 43 points 3 weeks ago

It's no longer labeled vegan. A lot of producers actively avoid the label, despite the fact that the Vegan Society would provide their stamp of approval. I've heard somewhere putting it on your product lowers sales. All this to say, are you certain it's actually not vegan anymore?

[-] Schmeckinger@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago

Someone said the non vegan version has bee wax in it.

[-] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 weeks ago

Definitely a thing. Vegan can be hidden somewhere on some products, or they might use different language.

[-] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 10 points 3 weeks ago

I ran an experiment a few years ago at a party I hosted. I had two trays of Oreos. One labeled 'Oreos', the other labeled 'Vegan Oreos'. Now, Oreos are vegan, but aren't labeled as such. I had to refill the standard Oreos a couple times throughout the night. The 'Vegan' labeled tray ended the night with more than half still there. Vegan definitely plays a role in sales, and not always for the best.

[-] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 weeks ago

Love it. Science!

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[-] MadLegoChemist@startrek.website 31 points 3 weeks ago

It looks like the 91% natural ingredients version has benzyl alcohol as a preservative which is typically synthetically derived and in my experience can drastically shift the bio-based ratio.

As far as I can see, the rest of the ingredients are the same, but the sourcing of those ingredients could be different which could also shift the naturally derived percentage.

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[-] rayquetzalcoatl@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago

Who's Matt and how come you've got his paste?

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago

I wouldn't even be surprised if this is just a shift in marketing. The "Vegan" label, in particular, has fallen out of style as more and more men become obsessed with meat-based diets.

[-] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 15 points 2 weeks ago

???

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[-] echodot@feddit.uk 9 points 2 weeks ago

It's some kind of hair gel, you don't eat it.

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[-] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 13 points 3 weeks ago

I think you might have gotten old stock when you bought a 'new' tin. When I look on their website, it only has the vegan formulation listed, and the ingredients do appear to be derived from non-animal sources.