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The rent is too dang high in Cities: Skylines 2, so the devs nuked the landlords (arstechnica.com)

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[-] Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 83 points 2 weeks ago

Recently it has been disclosed that the dev team have added a new member

[-] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 weeks ago

every time i see that picture i always think of city planner plays :D

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 78 points 2 weeks ago

Ok, but my rent is too high in real life. Can those developers nuke MY landlord?

[+] Jolteon@lemmy.zip -35 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

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[-] Ibuthyr@discuss.tchncs.de 38 points 2 weeks ago

That's usually not the case though. These landlords are usually just some anonymous investor, probably living in Dubai or some shit. The small-time landlords are more an exception and usually not the big problem.

[-] Buttons@programming.dev 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I was thinking about why a small landlord might be better, and I know there are exceptions, but usually a small landlord is is not going to squeeze every penny out of their rentals, sometimes out of the goodness of their heart, but most importantly, a small landlord has other ways to be productive.

A small landlord who has a normal job, if they want to improve the world, they do it through their job or personal projects, they build something or create something or whatever.

A big landlord who does nothing else, they aren't actually creating anything, they're just rent seeking and the most creative way they can imagine to improve the world is to rent seek even harder.

Our economic system gives greater rewards to those who move money around than to those who create things or cure cancer or anything else. The ways of turning a lot of money into even more money are taxed less (usually not at all) than more common ways of earning money like working a job or creating physical goods. The richest people didn't get rich by creating something that improves everyone's lives, they got rich by moving money around.

[-] Miaou@jlai.lu 10 points 2 weeks ago

Small landlords are the cheapest IME, and often act like they are doing you a favour. Big ones are cold, but at least treat people like customers rather than janitors

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

Small landlords, through ignorance or in a belief that they're too small a fish for government to go after, are often the worst with breaking laws and exploiting tenants.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago

And also some of the best in terms of tenant/landlord relationship. I loved my last landlord, they took care of things before I bothered mentioning them, were very respectful of our privacy (they'd give several days notice for any maintenance, when only 24 hours was required).

Small landlords can suck or be fantastic, big landlords will almost always suck just a bit. When looking for an apartment, remember, you should be interviewing your landlord as well as them interviewing you. Ask neighbors before signing anything if you can...

[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 weeks ago

A small landlord who has a normal job, if they want to improve the world, they do it through their job or personal projects, they build something or create something or whatever.

A big landlord who does nothing else, they aren’t actually creating anything, they’re just rent seeking and the most creative way they can imagine to improve the world is to rent seek even harder.

You're forgetting: Property Management is a career, and for a reason. Unmaintained properties run into bigger issues until they're so bad a tenant has to move out -- and then a tenant has no place to live without a massive rent increase as the rent is re-based on the prevailing economic rape instead of whatever it was 10 years ago with its 2% yearly increase.

Big landlords are uncaring, but they do manage the property. Good ones manage it well, fixing windows and pipes and pot-holes, etc. Less 'broken-window effect' and more peaceful days between goddamned fire alarm testing.

[-] kryptonite@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Only a 2% yearly increase?!? Are you serious? I lived in an apartment for 8 years, and my ending rent was 70% higher than my starting rent. By your number, it should have ended up only about 15% higher.

[-] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 31 points 2 weeks ago

Honest mistake, but you're probably thinking of a superintendent. They are usually an employee of the landlord, and do things like collect the landlord's rents and sometimes fix appliances, etc.

[-] Etterra@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Mine are a few blocks away, but ya know what? Worth it. Nuke away.

[-] toynbee@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

A lot of YouTubers seem to have recently claimed that their landlords are anonymous corporations with no clear individual proclaimed as owner or responsible party.

[-] Peffse@lemmy.world 75 points 2 weeks ago

Forgive my ignorance, but an apartment where the landlord is removed and people just pay building maintenance is... a condominium, no?

[-] scroll_responsibly@lemmy.sdf.org 91 points 2 weeks ago

If they don’t individually own the property but pay for upkeep and there is no landlord… that’s a housing cooperative, no?

[-] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 9 points 2 weeks ago

I grew up in a community co-op! It was so great

[-] Nommer@sh.itjust.works 31 points 2 weeks ago

It's more like co-owning. Both the owner and the HOA own the property. But at least with my HOA the agreement is they handle everything outside my walls, I handle everything inside.

[-] paraphrand@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

I didn’t know about the co-ownership. That makes HOA stories make more sense.

[-] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

HOA is just a name, they take many many forms. My grandparents neighborhood for example has an HOA that collects dues and the dues are used to pay to have the roads repaved or fixed when damaged, and that's it. No upkeep rules or anything like that, and there's only a handful of houses in their small neighborhood that look bad from the outside, but that's those people's business

[-] KillerTofu@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

I would never buy property subject to an HOA.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

If they don’t individually own the property but pay for upkeep and there is no landlord… that’s a housing cooperative, no?

Squatter mansion.

[-] Not_mikey@slrpnk.net 12 points 2 weeks ago

Depends who owns it / who payed to have it constructed. If the tenets own it and payed to have it constructed, or payed someone who payed someone... Then it's a condo or a co-op depending on whether you own a unit in the building or own x% of the building which entitles you to a unit.

If another organization, almost always some form of government, payed to have it constructed and owns it then it is public housing.

If it's anything like cities skylines original, houses just pop up according to demand with seemingly no construction cost calculated, probably because it would add a ton more complexity with mortgages and speculative markets etc. for little gain to players who mostly just want to play with trains and metros.

[-] EvacuateSoul@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

Tenants, fyi

[-] Vaggumon@lemm.ee 60 points 2 weeks ago

It's time to have life imitate art.

[-] MaggiWuerze@feddit.de 41 points 2 weeks ago

I would have preferred to have it solvable through policy or something. A giant business, with high earning employees would of course raise the average rent if not regulated. I find it rather amusing, that it actually happened in the game as well without being explicitly build in.

[-] aStonedSanta@lemm.ee 6 points 2 weeks ago

My thoughts exactly. Although. Reality is often stranger than fiction. So who knows what’s coming next for us 😆

[-] NounsAndWords@lemmy.world 38 points 2 weeks ago

I keep forgetting that that's an option

[-] satanmat@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

Did Sir want their slice of landlord rare? And with or without mint sauce on the side…

[-] Maeve@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 weeks ago

Interesting note in this mint sauce recipe.

[-] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 weeks ago

Ask the sovereign citizens at !insanepeoplefacebook@lemmy.world how that works out.

[-] ssj2marx@lemmy.ml 36 points 2 weeks ago

This week in "simulations trying to mimic reality end up showing why the socialists are right"

[-] Murdoc@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah; seeing this pop up on my feed so close to another story about the increasing concentration of wealth to landlords in Canada made me both chuckle and then sigh.

[-] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 weeks ago

This happened in Dwarf Fortress too

It's almost like a society based on cooperation works better than a society based on competition.

[-] Phegan@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago

I can't wait until this game is released

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago

Same. I hear the early access has been rough.

I'm ready to buy once things work properly.

[-] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 2 points 2 weeks ago

I just hope it makes it out of development hell unlike Kerbal Space Program 2

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago

Haha...haha...ha....

[-] 3volver@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

Making people in society feel like they own nothing and are getting milked by those few who do own everything is a good way to see things break down, it's happening real time, we're watching it right now in the US.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago

mao zedong enters the chat

[+] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml -11 points 2 weeks ago

Wow no thanks, I will decide if and when I replace the roof of my house and who will do it and how. I would really fucking hate the condominium approach of making that a collective decision. That's why I want nothing other than detached homes, in the forest sepatated by 300-400 meter to the next one !

[-] Stalinwolf@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

My wife and I just bought my first home this week. The market is fucking brutal. You think you're getting in early to view a new listing and there are ten other realtors' cards already on the kitchen table. Made the highest offer? Fuck you. This guy out of Vancouver offered market price with zero conditions. House is old as hell and really should have had an inspection. OH WELL! SUCK A DICK! 🤷

We wound up getting exactly what we had been waiting for. House was on the market for 13 hours, we were the first to make an offer, sellers accepted almost immediately. Inspection went well. Detached home in a cozy little cul-de-sac. Lush back yard with a high, solid fence. Dude, I can't fucking wait. I've been in a townhouse with a back 40 that looks like the dormatories of a Russian mining complex.

[-] russjr08@bitforged.space 5 points 2 weeks ago

Congrats on the new home!

[-] Stalinwolf@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 weeks ago

Thank you!

[-] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago

There is nothing like owning your own home. Spatially separated from the next one

Sure the ecofash commieblock enthusiasts downvoted me because they would prefer us all living in austere and efficient concrete pods so we emit less carbon as they pay us subsistence wages.

And I really wish we could swap homes on a whim and really be home anywhere instead of this musical chair bullshit.

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