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[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 44 points 9 months ago

Again I'm reminded of the tweet where a Chinese reporter compared a terror attack in China to someone shooting up a subway train in Dallas. All the usual smuglords came out in force to tell the reporter that "Dallas doesn't have a subway, you CEE CEE PEE shill smuglord" not realizing what an absolute self own that is.

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 9 months ago
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[-] PoY@lemmygrad.ml 40 points 9 months ago

tbf the reason you've never heard of it is for the same reason you were taught next to nothing about geography, history, and other cultures. If you don't know anything about anything then it's so easy to convince you that we're the good guys and all the wars are just and necessary

[-] iridaniotter@lemmygrad.ml 28 points 9 months ago

You're right that Americans are under-educated in those areas. However, China has something like a hundred "big cities" (let's say roughly Philadelphia-sized). Only a real geography buff would be able to identify all of them! If Americans knew just ten of them, that would be great.

[-] sooper_dooper_roofer@hexbear.net 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

If you don't know most of the different provinces of China and India, then you don't know anything about the world

https://i.imgur.com/BBPRvQL.png

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[-] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I'm kind of a geography buff and i still can't even name ten. Same for India. And i'm not American but our education also severely neglected to teach us basically anything about the world outside of Europe and the US. The most we learned about the rest of the world was countries and their capitals. And history was even worse. It went Ancient Egypt > Greeks > Romans > Charlemagne > Holy Roman Empire > French revolution > Napoleon > Bismarck/German unification > World War > Weimar Germany > World War again > German reunification.

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[-] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 37 points 9 months ago

There are these videos in yt of people just randomly driving in various cities or countryside and chongqing is jaw dropping.

[-] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 42 points 9 months ago

There are also videos of people randomly driving across rural America and the conditions people live under are eye-opening. Crumbling roads, crumbling houses, crumbling businesses, and everything's miles away with a sole Dollar General as the town's grocer.

[-] SovereignState@lemmygrad.ml 33 points 9 months ago

You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but blinding!

I'm from the middle of nowhere, Amerika. It's so much worse than many people know.

[-] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 9 months ago

If you don't mind, would you mind describing it? I've heard about the meth problem and the crumbling roads, but never a direct firsthand account of what it is like to live in rural America.

[-] SovereignState@lemmygrad.ml 28 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

tldr it sucks but I mean the nature's cool

The area I lived in is so backwoods it doesn't have a true name, it borders a town and a village (yes, a village). They're both about 20 minute drives in opposite directions.

All along the highway from nowhere to somewhere, you'll find abandoned gas stations and grocery stores overtaken by local foliage and critters of the dark. Cows every now and then with barbed wire fences cordoning off hundreds and hundreds of acres of land, usually owned by some disgustingly rich drunk old guy no one's seen in years.

In each town, everyone knows everyone. It was hard to stay anonymous even countywide -- many, many times my last name indicated to others that they knew my family. Due to living in a borderland, I was given an option of two different high schools I could attend, in either direction. They're both horrific, though I will say the one I attended had cool teachers. My graduating class had ~20 students in it, that being the entire senior class of my high school.

It is a very different feeling to living in a city. I did not have neighbors less than a mile away. 90% of the roads I drove were not paved. I spent my childhood in extreme isolation. I used the internet to escape it, the very, very slow internet. It took me a month to download World of Warcraft, and I played the shit out of it, 500 ping or otherwise (I considered 200 was stable!!).

We had DSL until maybe 2013. I grew up with a box computer, box TV, VHSs, all that old shit. Regular blackouts. School closed regularly because winter was utterly deadly -- who is going to plow a dirt road? Summer was just as deadly for different reasons.

We had a different relationship with guns. Gunshots were something you heard regularly, wherever you were, because folk were out hunting. It was normal. I remember, even, one time a classmate in 3rd grade brought (with his father) a deer he killed on the back of a pickup, and when he arrived he was holding his hunting rifle. This alarmed absolutely no one, including myself.

We had prayer circles at school every Sunday. We'd gather around the flag and pray for the soldiers and shit. Pledge of allegiance every day, of course.

Area was 99% white, and SOMEHOW the fuckers managed to get the black folk situated in the only part of that shithole that could be reasonably called a "ghetto". How the fuck.

I miss being able to fuck off into the woods and know that I was alone with nature. Nobody could mess with me because there was nobody. Nobody but the trees, squirrels, spiders and deer.

Every other person has at least tried meth. I haven't, but I've had the opportunity on multiple occasions. I've seen what that shit does to houses when people mix incorrectly. I'm good, I'll stick with green. Cannabis can't annihilate you quite so dramatically.

There were homeless folk. Everybody knew them, but no one wanted to help them. I hate to say that I can't really blame them as plenty of these folk would have murdered you for drug money. The others just woulda robbed you.


Kind of a rambling mess and I apologize. I hope I painted something of a picture. If you have any specific questions I'd be delighted to share details of the bittersweet misery of rural life further.

edit: addendum. These places were legally sundown towns in my mother's lifetime.

https://www.blackpast.org/african-american-history/sundown-towns/

[-] Blinky_katt@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 9 months ago

...sounds grim and surreal. Pretty sure I've read post-apocalyptic fiction with similar backgrounds :|

[-] SovereignState@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 9 months ago

I completely forgot the kicker. I was taught creationism in my science classes. ๐Ÿ˜„

Tell my suburban friends that and they say shit like "I didn't even know that still happened", like creationism as "science" died in the 50s or 60s. Nah.

Also taught that black folk were condemned to an eternity of slavery because Ham, ostensibly dark-skinned, witnessed his father Noah naked, while all the other races looked away.

I would not recommend to any black folk to visit the rural midwest. They'll tell you how not-racist they are right before they fucking lynch you. The cops will be there, assisting the lynchers. Klan flyers left on doorsteps (my family got one). NAACP put out a travel advisory for Missouri, the only entire state they've ever done that for. I don't blame them at all.

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[-] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 9 months ago

Thank you for sharing and i hope you live in better conditions now.

[-] SovereignState@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 9 months ago

Thank you. I live in a relatively small city in a different state now.

Incredibly, there's shit to do! People to meet! I prefer it so much more. The quickest way to kill misanthropy, for me, has been to meet people. The kindness of utter strangers baffles me sometimes -- I'm not used to it.

Only problem is, the gunshots I hear every other day aren't so innocuous. I live in the hood, the ghetto, whatever you wanna call it, but it's my community now, you know? Care about these folk. Roads are all paved but still barely drivable. Least I can walk down the street to get my groceries if I want (and not have to drive 45 minutes to the nearest Walmart...)

[-] Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 9 months ago

the gunshots I hear every other day

Don't think I've ever heard live gunshots in my city. Even in the 90's, when the country was a bleeping warzone. Only ever heard some in the countryside, from far away (hunters or plinkers). And you are saying it's a regular occurrence?

[-] SovereignState@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Moved into my new place last month. Heard shots three times. One time it was just brap brap brap. Another time sounded like two. Heard a fucking shootout maybe two weeks ago, maybe 8 or 9.

Some folk mistake fireworks for gunshots, and I guess it's possible that I was just hearing kids playing with M80s or something. But I know folk who've been shot, know folk whose family have been murdered in drive-bys, and I'm familiar with the sound of gunfire. You won't even hear about it on the news.

[-] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 9 months ago

Sounds a lot like rural Australia, though we have fewer gunshots. People usually go hunting with bows here, because hunting rifles are somewhat hard to get.

[-] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 9 months ago

is that you midwestern marx?

[-] SovereignState@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 9 months ago

If only I could be so based. (Usually...)

[-] EuthanatosMurderhobo@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 9 months ago

But, you see, it has oppression particles in the air. Checkmate, tankie.

[-] axont@hexbear.net 29 points 9 months ago

Consider that American cities aren't places for people to live. Their primary purpose is to make real estate companies money. American roads don't exist to be used, they're so car dealership owners exert undue political influence.

Chinese cities are built for people to live in

[-] Sinokai@lemmygrad.ml 28 points 9 months ago

I recommend visiting one of the major cities. Doesn't have to be Shanghai or Beijing as it gets a bit bougie. Chengdu also has some really awesome city planning and high concept architecture!

[-] Alunyanners@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 9 months ago

not to mention chengdu is THE gay capital of china from what i've read online

[-] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 10 points 9 months ago

You ~~don't~~ want to know what goes on in those skyscrapers!

[-] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 9 months ago

u have to plan a trip for each region at this point ๐Ÿ˜‚

[-] Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 9 months ago

as it gets a bit bougie

That's rather unfortunate

[-] HiddenLayer5@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 9 months ago

Case in point: Guiyang Night Walk, The Capital Of The Poorest Province In China: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QsZVk8Am_E

[-] cayde6ml@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 9 months ago

Poorest Chad Chinese City vs Wealthy Virgin Amerikkkan Shithole

[-] Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 9 months ago

Jfc that is poorest province?!

[-] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 9 months ago

TBF, it is the capital of the province, the most well developed part of it. Part of the problem with unequal development in China has been that the cities have been heavily developed like this, while the countryside has lagged behind. Thankfully, that seems to be changing now and the CPC's current goal seems to be to reduce unequal development as much as possible, so we might start to see small towns looking this well developed in about 10-20 years.

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[-] Henkire@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 9 months ago

Based China

[-] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 9 months ago
[-] muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 9 months ago

New York and Los Angeles would barely count as tier 3 China cities.

[-] Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 9 months ago

How do Chinese city tiers work? What are the criteria?

[-] muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 9 months ago

It's very unofficial, and mostly coming from a few publications within the PRC that each use their own criteria for ranking: wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_city_tier_system

[-] Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 9 months ago
[-] cayde6ml@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 9 months ago

I think the bottom picture on the right is concept art from Mirror's Edge: Catalyst. One of my favorite games ever.

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 8 points 9 months ago

Upper right image in the back instantly invokes this music for me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bhC0cbmre4

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[-] Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 9 months ago

Which one's on the top? Los Angeles?

[-] axont@hexbear.net 10 points 9 months ago

The two on the left are Houston, but that's downtown Houston in the 70s.

[-] Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 9 months ago
[-] Leon_Grotsky@hexbear.net 9 points 9 months ago

That picture of the highway is Katy Freeway near Houston, I don't know if the other pictures are also Houston

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