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I'll note that this is substantially at odds with the candidates positions and history:

Joe Biden: Mr. Biden has framed the stakes of his re-election campaign as a fight to preserve American democracy. He has forcefully condemned Mr. Trump’s efforts to overturn the 2020 election, and he has pursued — but Congress has not passed — legislation to expand voting access and counter restrictions in Republican-led states.

Mr. Trump is the only United States president who has refused to accept his loss in a democratic election. He tried to overturn the 2020 election and has sought to delegitimize the electoral system. He also uses terms like “vermin” to describe his political opponents and other groups, including migrants, dehumanizing swaths of society in language that echoes Hitler and other authoritarian leaders.

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[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 65 points 5 months ago

a little more than half of voters classified as likely to decide the presidential election say threats to democracy are extremely important to their vote for president, ... Yet, more of them trust Trump to handle those threats than Biden.

Fucking hell. Trump is that threat.

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 54 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

God I hate the Electoral College. Without that, we wouldn't have such absurd weak points in our democracy that we call "swing states".

[–] Pheonixdown@lemm.ee 18 points 5 months ago

National Popular Vote Interstate Compact is only 72 Electoral Votes away from being enacted, but it's getting harder and harder...

[–] PorradaVFR@lemmy.world 24 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I suppose “the media has catastrophically failed in it's job to inform many voters” wasn't as catchy.

[–] mriguy@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

“The media has wildly succeeded in its effort to misinform many voters” would be more correct. This has been a relentless, deliberate strategy. If they had just been incompetent it would not be this lopsidedly wrong.

[–] PorradaVFR@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

Well put - and I expect we'd agree that the worst are outlets like the NYT and WP that trip over themselves trying to appeal to a demographic that hates them by constantly pushing “both sides” or worse pretending it's normal partisan dynamics and not an utterly corrupt SCOTUS and dysfunctional Congress let alone aspiring authoritarianism on one side. They focus on eyeballs and revenue, journalistic integrity be damned.

[–] tea 21 points 5 months ago

This is not really that surprising. Trump's line is that Biden "stole" the 2020 election. People who believe the big lie actually think that Biden circumvented democracy. There's no clear thing to fix this, that I can think of.

The only good thing with this in my mind is that, in their minds, they think they're protecting democracy by voting for Trump, which means, if you take away the lies and fraud, the norms/belief/expectations of democracy including peaceful of transfer of power and regular elections are still expected to happen. Once the liars stop lying to them, our democracy should kind of self correct. The downside is they're too far invested in Trump to recognize that democracy might be taken from them by a dictator and they'll believe they still have power.

Our best hope is that, once Trump dies or is out of the picture, no one else can capture their imagination the way he has and he was a one-off. However it's a big country and I think Trump might be just a blueprint for someone with higher aspirations than just narcissistic personal benefit.

[–] retrospectology@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I wish there was somewhere one could go to escape idiots for good. So tired of living alongside braindead morons.

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I suggest creating a nice hermitage, because human stupidity is a constant.

[–] MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Saw this posted recently and it fits quite nicely.

[–] MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

Fuck that place looks absolutely splendid.

[–] digeridoo@lemmy.ml 14 points 5 months ago (2 children)
[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 10 points 5 months ago

For a lot of people "Democracy" means "rule by rich white men" and not "a system where elections determine who will hold power"

[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago
[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It still blows my mind that some people think he is better for the economy.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Maybe th debate will clear things up.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 3 points 5 months ago

ugh watching it now and its aweful. Trump was talking forever at one point and im like. hey are they going to call time on him or what. The woman seems to be but the guy ugh.

[–] oxjox@lemmy.ml 13 points 5 months ago

The United States is doomed.

We care more about engaging with content that spikes our brain chemicals than we care about facts and reality. So many people have been duped to believe and promote things that are verifiably false for the benefit of corporate interests and the fragile ego of you-know-who.

This article is genuinely terrifying. It confirms that half of Americans believe statements that have been proven to be lies. That's a lot of people being hoodwinked. That's a lot of people convinced they should cast a vote to hurt themselves for the benefit of one person who has never done a thing to help them. It honestly breaks my heart.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago

People... what a bunch of bastards.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The issue is republicans don't base their opinions on reality, and Dems do

And with the DNC spending years saying primaries aren't real and they can rig and even ignore results...

It's hard for them to argue they're pro-democracy just a few months after yanking NH's delegates after the state party refused to violate NH state law.

Especially since we all know the reason the DNC didn't want them to go first anymore, is they keep voting progressive

It's not enough to just be better than Republicans if we want to win. We need a party and candidates that live up to Dem voters standards.

[–] oxjox@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago

republicans don’t base their opinions on reality, and Dems do

To be fair, a lot of liberals inflate reality too. Usually it's to overcompensate for "history", less than today's reality. It can be a bit much.

And I wouldn't say Republicans have opinions so much as they follow cult leaders. An opinion is usually something based on things you know rather than what you've been tricked into saying.

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

Welp. The country is fucked.

[–] anticolonialist@lemmy.world -4 points 5 months ago

Well lets see, we are all struggling, but the WH says we are not. Pelosi, standing next to her $25k refrigerator, eating her $96 a gallon ice cream claiming she understands our struggle suggests she is out of touch with what struggling means, and our needs. They are clearly not listening to us.