we could have had Bernie, except Warren was a backstabbing scumbag. oh well. we got what we deserved: suffering.
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If you mean her rhetoric, she was just playing the game of politics, and I don't fault her for that.
If you mean not dropping out after it was apparent the moderate candidates were going to coalesce behind Biden, yeah, fuck her.
Would dropping out have done anything? Biden got over 50% of the vote. Burnie and Warren together were only around 33%.
A lot of issues come with the fact that success tends to snowball in primaries, hence why candidates always try to eke out early wins in Iowa, and why Super Tuesday is so important.
https://www.politico.com/2020-election/results/super-tuesday/
That backstab is why I now vote against her in her Senate primaries. It’s deeply frustrating, because until that point, I really did think she was one of the best possibilities for being a sane and effective presidential candidate.
I would still vote for her, given her voting record and policy proposals she supports/ed, but I will say the $40 I donated to her campaign are the only political donations I've ever regretted making.
I could not have a beer with her, either I'd be thinking about bringing it up the entire time. Actually, I would have a beer with her just to ask her what the hell happened? How does she feel about her legacy? What did it feel like to be the OG Fetterman?
Honestly at this point I would suck it up and vote for her too u_u
The Democrat party ironically won't have any reason to actually compete UNTIL the GOP dies completely because they would be forced to confront their internal progressive vs chud factions, which would split into their own two new political parties.
In the general? Absolutely. But that’s a low bar.
If she was the most compelling primary candidate? Also, likely. Also, still a low bar.
But as an expression of my deep and fundamental dissatisfaction with how she kow-towed to the DNC leadership, I don’t plan on supporting her tenure in the senate.
The left is constantly punching itself in the dick with purity tests. You’d think they’d realize that’s half the reason why they’re constantly spinning their wheels. Liz would be the most left wing president since FDR
Wait, liberals have been saying that Biden is the "most left wing president since FDR" for his entire term. Have you all changed your mind?
I haven't heard a single instance of this actually occuring.
I'd bet my last dollar you haven't either.
Warren isn't the president, smart guy
Yeah, that's what I'm saying, "smart guy". So what does it mean to be "the most left wing president since FDR"? If Biden already is that, what does it matter if Warren would be?
Lol only conservatives have made the ridiculous statement that "Biden is the most left wing president." That is hilarious though.
Because Warren would have been better...? Your attempt at bad faith questions don't even make sense. If Warren had been elected, she would have been to the left of Biden, who (according to whatever your source is) is the most left wing since FDR. So how much more so would Warren have been. I think all the dialectics are rotting your brain, comrade.
But according to the comment I replied to, she wouldn't be "better", she would be the same. That's my question, which I don't get how that's bad faith. If she's "the most left wing since FDR", but Biden is already that, in what way is that an argument for her? What point is the comment making? You're not explaining anything.
She would be better and more to the left than Biden. And I consider myself a part of the left. Fred Hampton wasn’t killed because he was a leftist, he was killed because he was a big tent leftist.
My point is the perfect candidate doesn’t exist and we should fight for the progress we can get with politicians that can win in the current deeply flawed system we are forced to operate in.
Fred Hampton was killed because he was a communist, not a "leftist". His FBI file, the statements from the police, and the statements from officials involved all explicitly blame his communist sentiment and work with communist orgs for the police state's...attention...on him. He didn't advocate for a liberal national party. Do not insult him by misrepresenting him or his death.
But okay. That phrase just doesn't separate her from Biden when that's what the tweet is about.
Thank you for proving my point by partitioning communists from the left. Sometimes I feel like I’m arguing metal subgenres. I just want everyone who isn’t a fascist or an enabler to band together so we don’t get a repeat the last century.
You’re the only one saying she would be the same.
I didn't say anything. I asked for clarification on liberals' general sentiments.
Are these liberals in the room with you now?
Warren being better than Biden and Biden (or Warren) being the most left-wing president since FDR are not mutually exclusive.
Warren is left of Biden and, if you’re left-leaning, that is better AND the most left since FDR.
I think I'm mostly lost on what dumbass thinks Biden is left of FDR.
Edit: oh most left wing SINCE. I need more coffee. Seeing as we've had basically no actual left wing presidents, still not a difficult feat. lol
Incredibly dumb and out of touch. Just wow.
Have they? I've never heard anyone say that.
Democratic primary debates were fire in 2020 Liz Warren slaughtering Bloomberg live on TV was a highlight
Edit: years
2020, you mean. 2016 was Hillary and Bernie in a room with a lock on the door.
I wasn't too fond of Warren until she showed some teeth in the 2020 debates. It was a treat to see her take down everyone on stage.
Shame she [checks notes] didn't even win her home fucking state in the primaries while the moderates were all throwing their support behind one candidate. Still not sure what level of delusion prompted her to stay in considering that was in-line with what she was polling.
The Bernie and Biden debate was what I always thought political debates should be. They presented different viewpoints on how to solve problems and had productive discussion about it.
This hexbear user is not wrong tho, america's left dosn't really serve the people, they team up with the richs.
There is no left. Only center right and far right
The left doesn't routinely show up to elections like the right does any more.
Yep because there's no true left in usa
There is. It's called the Green Party. People just don't know about it.
Since 1993, with the exception of Obama (1961), every president was born either 1942 or 1946. Sanders and Warren are both born in the 1940's too.
Just stop voting fossils goddammit.