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[–] heavy@sh.itjust.works 69 points 4 months ago (1 children)

We need stop normalizing working at the age of 80, especially in high positions of consequence.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Can you really blame them? It’s not easy to live on Social Security.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That's funny, but they're literally living a different life than us. Biden gets the best government-paid care possible while Trump uses his scammed billions to give him every luxury he doesn't deserve.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Oh I agree. That was 100% satire.

[–] smnwcj@fedia.io 36 points 4 months ago (2 children)

The actual video for your own judgement:

https://x.com/atrupar/status/1805755194723950688

I'm not shocked an old man missed a prompt to speak in a low stakes phone call. Mid-sentence in a high-stakes optics-focused debate is the bigger gaffe, but equally normal for an old man.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Agreed, a gap on a phone call is not as bad as looking like a lost little boy on video. :(

I feel bad for Biden, I really do. I think he honestly believes in doing what's best for the country. He's just not articulating that where it counts.

It reminds me a lot of the Bob Dole campaign, or even the Hillary Clinton campaign, where supporters would go "Yeah, but they're totally different in private! You should see it!"

I agree! I should see it! Failing to bring that across in a campaign is itself a failure.

[–] dudinax@programming.dev 18 points 4 months ago (2 children)

He's already been a really good president. It's not like people need to read the tea leaves to know what he's about.

Heck, we already know he's pro-America, doesn't take money from foreign governments, isn't trying to become a dictator, and didn't give away nuclear secrets.

That puts him several points above the other guy.

[–] anticolonialist@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

doesn't take money from foreign governments,

AIPAC might have something to say about that

[–] timewarp@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago

Doesn't take money from foreign governments? Do you know who his biggest donors are?

[–] crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Can someone link me to this super-dramatic mid-sentence lapse people are talking about? From Biden in the debate

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 30 points 4 months ago (2 children)

If I look in a septic tank, and it's full of shit... No one cares.

But if someone takes one little shit on the boss' desk, people want to talk about it for years.

This is why people talk about Biden's missteps more than Trump's. We know trump is a giant piece of shit, literally, it's trump's third election in a row, he's only been out of office 4 years, everyone knows who trump is.

But the entire point of Biden, is supposed to be that he's not trump.

So why should we excuse their similarities?

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You’re always trying to say they are the same.

It’s easy to see the differences between them if you open your eyes.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You’re always trying to say they are the same.

He says in the comments section of an article that was posted to justify overlooking Biden's debate performance because Trump has similar evidence of cognitive decline.

"You're just saying both candidates are the same!" to all criticism from the left is inconsistent with "Biden's fine! See, both candidates are the same."

[–] AmidFuror@fedia.io 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

"Both sides" people claim there are no important differences between the candidates or parties. They say it doesn't matter who you vote for.

There are massive differences between the candidates. It does matter who you vote for. Did this article say differently?

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

“Both sides” people claim there are no important differences between the candidates or parties.

And it's used by centrists as a catch-all strawman anytime someone complains about any specific issue in which there is little or no daylight between the parties.

But if they want to act like it's ok to have a candidate that loses his train of thought during a debate, then suddenly it's just fine because both candidates are like that.

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

It’s fine not because they are both like that but because Biden is the better person for this election.

The important work to do now if to get someone young and exciting in for the democrat nominee.

[–] PythagreousTitties@lemm.ee 21 points 4 months ago (1 children)

"this week".

More like every other day he rants about dumb shit.

[–] Today@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

Sharks vs boat batteries.

[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

It always amuses me when articles like this come out and pretend that Trump and Biden are held to the same standards. They appeal to different voters with different expectations. Thats something people who are trying to flip Bidens bad debate into 'Hey Trump should drop out hes the real threat' don't or won't realize. Sure you're correct but his base LIKES the threat. YOU have to stop him and that's why people are scared of doing nothing but continuing on with Biden. They have never had to play by the same rules and it's honestly insulting hearing things framed like they are and we can't figure that out ourselves.

[–] crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Sure but nobody saw it or cared

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

because media is heavily invested in Trump winning. Thats why they are obsessing over every single perceived misstep and mistake Biden makes and giving an almost free pass to Trumps bullshit in comparison. Thats why you've not heard about what an absolute failure that moderator was, about any and all of the lies Trump said during the debate, or anything. all you hear is "BIDEN OLD, BIDEN QUIT!"

Why?

Because the broadcast Media wants another Trump presidency. He drove massive viewership increases as everyone turned into the news every day to see what the latest fuckup, calamity, and embarassment he had done that day. I'd wager that there havent been as many eyes tuned into broadcast media during the Trump Presidency since 9/11. and they want that attention and viewership (and, most importantly, revenue from advertising) back more than anything.

its also why theres been bare minimal coverage, and often when it is covered, no credit is actually given, to all the improvements that have been made under biden. Biden has a huge list of wins, and no one knows about them.

[–] galoisghost@aussie.zone 8 points 4 months ago

The Democrats had 4 years to build the profile of a successor, now they are left with this vapid spin.

[–] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

And now we grasp at straws. Anything to avoid facing the reality of the situation.

He might have had a bad connection for a second. It would be more compelling if it had been, I don't know, on the debate stage with 50 million people watching.

Everyone rightfully talks about how awful Trump is, but as soon as Biden does something like support a genocide or come across like a doddering old man in a debate, all of a sudden "Trump does it too" is apparently a defense.

Before someone jumps down my throat about the election being a choice between two people, it's not. People might also hate both and not vote. Not saying it's wise, just saying it's possible.

[–] anticolonialist@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

They can't defend Biden without invoking Trump, because that's their only defence

[–] timewarp@lemmy.world -3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They really are grasping at straws to keep Biden as the nominee. It is pathetic. Trump showed us he is old but still just a narcissist. Biden showed us that his team is a bunch of elder abusers.

[–] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

He has a large majority of delegates. There is no way to force him out of the candidacy, he already won it.

[–] timewarp@lemmy.world -2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The delegates don't have to pick Biden. If it is clear doing so will result in a loss they likely wouldn't. If Biden steps aside they won't have have to either. The issue is the delegates were picked cause they are loyal to corporate Democrats so they are less likely to pick a candidate that would crush Trump like Bernie.

[–] MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The delegates are bound to vote for Biden on the first ballot. They cannot just decide to vote for someone else. Where are you getting this?

[–] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

They're "getting this" from reality. Delegates are not legally bound to vote for whomever they've pledged to support from the primaries. It is strongly encouraged to do so, but whether they actually do is a matter of norms rather than an enforceable law. And a handful of delegates have voted other than their pledge numerous times in the past.

There's nothing stopping delegates from deciding to vote for whoever they'd like. And if enough of them can be convinced to nominate someone other than Biden, that's the actual nominee. Primaries don't actually matter other than serving as a way to influence the national convention: who the delegates vote for at the national convention is all that matters, and they are not legally bound to their pledge.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de -5 points 4 months ago

His own brain freeze moment? Ok, but Biden had a lot more thanone moment. His head is shot. The both of them are too damned old to be there at all.