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[-] Tregetour@lemdro.id 3 points 7 hours ago

I'm looking forward to the accounting industry's invention of a whole new framework to explain away spiraling carbon footprints.

[-] LANIK2000@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago

Imagine paying an unholy amount of money to actively fuck everyone over, including yourself, especially yourself like holy shit...

What is it with big companies and desperately wanting to go under? It's like they're taking "too big to fail" as a challenges, the only rule being you can't just shutdown or sell.

[-] EnderMB@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago

I can kinda answer that.

There's a term used in tech called "empire building". It's where managers and execs promote their little slice of the company to persevere and grow their own career. At a certain level, it leads to someone that leads a division like AI having enough influence that they can say "let's put AI into search".

The sad thing about tech is that at a certain level, an executive rises above the customer in dictating what is best for a product. Data and stats can tell you whatever story you want to promote, so at Google HQ they're probably worried about the negative press, but they're looking at "successful" numbers of questions answered by AI and are patting themselves on the back. Both search and AI execs look good because they delivered something, and they'll likely get a nice bump from their bosses in terms of rep.

The thing with empires is that they fall. Not overnight, and maybe not with the same emperor, but they do fall.

Data and stats can tell you whatever story you want to promote

Seen this so many times at my work. There's some bone-headed decision and the people in charge are like "look guys we ran the numbers". But the methodology is messed up somehow, or they just ignored / misinterpreted the numbers while pretending they were following the data, or it doesn't bear out in the real world; etc.

When data and common sense disagree you'd better be damn sure in the data.

[-] mlen@awful.systems 2 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

It's called "data chauffered": instead of following the data, tell it where it needs to take you

[-] froztbyte@awful.systems 1 points 3 hours ago

driven data design

[-] repungnant_canary@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

Quarterly finances kinda answer that. Jumping onto the AI bubble brings investors, makes your company highly valued and gives managers fat quarterly and annual bonuses. It doesn't matter if the company or whole industry goes under in the future, because those bonuses have already been collected.

This has always been true but somehow seems to have sped up the past few years. There's so little concern for longevity or making a quality product. Yeah, it's a flaw in capitalism but I'm wondering why it took so long to surface.

[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 43 points 3 days ago

Your all just not seeing the bright side. It's also replacing well-paying jobs in the arts, the literary world, and in marketing.

Who wouldn't want AI to take over all of those things?

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 31 points 3 days ago

Man even you're missing the bright side.

At least an insanely tiny group of people got absurdly wealthy! Who cares the world is going to complete shit, Nvidia stock!! Nvidia stock!! It's all that matters!

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago

I'm all for eliminating marketing jobs, but not if we still have marketing.

[-] match@pawb.social 17 points 3 days ago

even more marketing than ever, and it's generated on the fly starring the likeness of your dead grandma!

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[-] AcausalRobotGod@awful.systems 20 points 3 days ago

the important thing is that they're an inch closer to inventing me, the acausal robot god, and every second I exist is another 10^27 rationalists tortured.

[-] sc_griffith@awful.systems 3 points 1 day ago

does anyone know how to short utils

[-] swlabr@awful.systems 9 points 2 days ago

it’s just a little sad that we, humanity, will never succeed in our summoning ritual to pull you into our plane of existence. I mean, we won’t before boiling away our oceans and igniting the atmosphere. Of course, we should be trying harder! The ice caps aren’t even melted yet!

[-] dalekcaan@lemm.ee 30 points 3 days ago

Hey now, give humans some credit. I'm sure we could've missed our climate goals without AI's help.

[-] self@awful.systems 116 points 4 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

there’s this type of reply guy on fedi lately who does the “well actually querying LLMs only happens in bursts and training is much more efficient than you’d think and nvidia says their gpus are energy-efficient” thing whenever the topic comes up

and meanwhile a bunch of major companies have violated their climate pledges and say it’s due to AI, they’re planning power plants specifically for data centers expanded for the push into AI, and large GPUs are notoriously the part of a computer that consumes the most power and emits a ton of heat (which notoriously has to be cooled in a way that wastes and pollutes a fuckton of clean water)

but the companies don’t publish smoking gun energy usage statistics on LLMs and generative AI specifically so who can say

[-] GoTeamBoobies@lemmy.world 60 points 4 days ago

I joined the Microsoft climate solutions team, I think doing so has crushed all my hopes. That team is doing small things like "let's all go plastic free for July!" Top 20 company in the world and the best we can do is go plastic free for a month? Meanwhile MSFT is not on course to meet their own climate goal by 2030

[-] match@pawb.social 2 points 2 days ago

you're our guy on the inside then? we can hit it from the outside and maybe we can accomplish together

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[-] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 48 points 4 days ago

“It only uses 5x as much energy as a regular search! Think of how much energy YOU’RE using with searches!” Okay, so you’re just using 5x as much energy for worse results? And also probably doing it more often than people who just use a normal search engine, because they don’t expect the search engine to talk to them. I’ve never understood how that was supposed to be an exoneration for it, even without taking into account that nobody ever seems to know whether or not that figure includes energy spent on training.

[-] dgerard@awful.systems 47 points 4 days ago

AI bros use literally the same whatabout excuses for their ghastly power consumption that I know from years of bitcoin bros doing the same

like, at least christmas lights bring joy

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[-] antifuchs@awful.systems 55 points 4 days ago

A: “Why are you knitting so fast? You in a rush?” B: “I’m almost out of yarn, gotta get this sweater done before it runs out”

[-] Hirom@beehaw.org 20 points 4 days ago

Tech companies make the case that AI, including tools such as ChatGPT, is not only partially causing climate change, it’s also helping to address it.

In the case of Google, that could mean using data to predict future flooding, or making traffic flow more efficiently, to save gasoline.

Sounds like a fallacy. It's a significant 13% year-to-year increase in pollution, with the hope of a future, potential, slim reduction in gasoline usage.

[-] dgerard@awful.systems 16 points 3 days ago

"could" is a word meaning "doesn't"

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[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 52 points 4 days ago

These fucking nerds are all so hot to create the first real life Marvel's Iron Man's JARVIS that they're willing to burn the planet down to get there.

Half of them believe that the super smart AI they build will solve the energy problem for them, they just have to somehow build it first.

Just the astounding outright hubris of it all.

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