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The Spanish government has a plan to prevent kids from watching porn online: Meet the porn passport.

Officially (and drily) called the Digital Wallet Beta (Cartera Digital Beta), the app Madrid unveiled on Monday would allow internet platforms to check whether a prospective smut-watcher is over 18. Porn-viewers will be asked to use the app to verify their age. Once verified, they'll receive 30 generated “porn credits” with a one-month validity granting them access to adult content. Enthusiasts will be able to request extra credits.

You have to request more porn credits from the government if you need more? Don't want the government to be tracking this data of you. This is a privacy issue

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[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 184 points 5 months ago (6 children)

Politicians keep trying to helicopter parent the entire populations of countries.

Making sure your kids don't go places online before they should, and have conversations with them about it once they reach an age where it happening is inevitable, is something every, single, parent, should do.

Not the fucking state.

And this has to be one the weirdest implementations of porn surveillance I've ever seen.

[–] RedStrawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 96 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

Exactly! Government granted 'porn credits' sounds absolutly insane as a serious idea...

Porn "Enthusiasts will be able to request extra credits" is one wild sentence.

A porn "enthusiast", requesting the government for porn credits, to watch porn? What?

[–] alm@awful.systems 33 points 5 months ago (1 children)
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[–] golden_zealot@lemmy.ml 123 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Wow good job Spain.

I guess this works because email doesn't exist.

I guess this works because file sharing applications and websites don't exist.

I guess this works because VPN's free and paid don't exist.

I guess this works because Tor, i2p, Freenet, and Yggdrasil don't exist.

I guess this works because torrenting doesn't exist.

I guess this works because black markets don't exist.

I guess this works because chat applications don't exist.

To be a fly on the wall of these government meetings where they talk about this shit would surely be the funniest fucking thing in the world.

[–] VirtualOdour@sh.itjust.works 39 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I want to be at the meeting a year from now where they realize only two people have ever signed up 'Yay we fixed porn!'

Buy who am I kidding they brought VPN shares before this was introduced

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[–] themurphy@lemmy.ml 28 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You are right, it's really stupid.

But it's also stupid not to consider, that it's not the real reason they made this in the first place.

They want to track you, and porn is the first excuse. If this is a success you might need this passport for alot of other things.

[–] pdxfed@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago

Thank you for contributing!

You've used the last of your political observation credits for the month. If you'd like to request more, please visit yourcountry.gov citizen portal and fill out the application. Your wait time will be 3-5 business days. We apologize for the wait but we are currently receiving a high volume of applications.

-govbot

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 78 points 5 months ago (1 children)

On the plus side Spains teenagers are about to become extremely computer literate.

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[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 72 points 5 months ago (4 children)

So teens learn about Tor & VPNs. This stuff doesn't work. The higher you put the skills to get access, the more they will learn. Nothing motivates teens more than access to adult stuff. Maybe this is really a tech literacy policy.

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 40 points 5 months ago

Learning to circumvent my parent's fumbling attempts to keep me off of early nineties bulletin board porn made me the man I am today.

[–] kworpy@lemm.ee 18 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yup, all you're doing is teaching them to cover their tracks

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[–] davel@lemmy.ml 64 points 5 months ago

This government intrusion is brought to you by Surfshark.

[–] Thcdenton@lemmy.world 56 points 5 months ago
[–] autonomoususer@lemmy.world 46 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

They made this to send people from legal sites to illegal sites.

[–] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 46 points 5 months ago (2 children)

"Enthusiasts will be able to request extra credits."

Well that's a relief. For a minute there, I was worried.

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[–] istanbullu@lemmy.ml 42 points 5 months ago

Government giving you porn credits sounds hilarious.

[–] kbal@fedia.io 41 points 5 months ago (1 children)

This ensures traceability through the public key as content providers will consistently receive the same public key when the credential is presented

What a ridiculous system. For some reason I expected that their efforts to offer an illusion of privacy would be better than the obfuscatory bullshit they've leaned on here in order to enable "traceability."

I hope it goes down so badly in Spain that the rest of Europe is once and for all convinced that such schemes to restrict and monitor the web browsing habits of every citizen are ineffective for their stated purpose, needlessly invasive of privacy and freedom, destructive of democracy, and can serve only as a prelude to totalitarianism.

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Hmm. Driving porn viewers who value their privacy underground couldn't possibly have any negative consequences I can think of.

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 37 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Instead of educating kids, it's much easier to... not, and invade their privacy instead.

[–] Murdoc@sh.itjust.works 26 points 5 months ago

...invade everyone's privacy instead.

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[–] brap@lemmy.world 37 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Porn passport = Wanking license

[–] EdyBolos@lemmy.world 28 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Also known as "pajaporte" in Spanish (paja = wank)

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[–] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 34 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Hola señores, necesito más créditos de la pornografía porque sus madres tienen tetas grandes.

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[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 5 months ago (8 children)

Kids can torrent my dude. Been doing it since I was like 13, and that's only because before that I was using limewire, then frostwire, then bearshare, then I found torrents because TPB took over. I've been pirating since I was like 9.

That is to say: This dumb ass bullshit isn't even going to work.

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[–] casmael@lemm.ee 32 points 5 months ago

Yo what the fuck guys can you not

[–] pdxfed@lemmy.world 30 points 5 months ago (4 children)

No one expects the Spanish Imposition.

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[–] krolden@lemmy.ml 30 points 5 months ago (2 children)

What the fuck is going on with these porn laws wtf

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 5 months ago (3 children)

No one wants to tell the government they're watching porn, especially in a Catholic country like Spain.

It's intended to reduce porn use, often to fuel conservative hate-driven ideology movements. Sexually frustrated people are more eager to endorse violence against marginalized groups.

It's pure sociological manipulation.

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[–] archchan@lemmy.ml 29 points 5 months ago (8 children)

On behalf of teen me and adult me, fuck off

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[–] Emmie@lemm.ee 29 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

At least it will raise tech literacy among youth. If it isn’t as easy and would require some thinking that’s already better than 99% of homework.

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[–] MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world 29 points 5 months ago

How many here want to bet that VPN companies lobbied the Spanish Government for this?

[–] nicerdicer@feddit.org 29 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

When you are out of porn credits before the end of the month, you can go to the good ol' simulator:

[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 27 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

It will be fun for one unashamed porn addicted user to keep making so many requests to this service that they break it.

"Javier, it's been 30 minutes since your last credit application."

"MORE CREDITS. CAN'T TALK."

[–] GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml 24 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

This is a privacy issue but it's a much much much less of a privacy issue than what the EU wants to do with that mandatory internet ID thing. This Spanish concept shows that you don't need complete mass surveillance like other governments try to convince everyone in.

[–] kbal@fedia.io 18 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Spain is officially hoping that their system will serve as a model for the rest of Europe, and then the rest of the world, so that everyone can work together to enforce the rules. Otherwise their citizens might just evade it by, for example, going to web sites that are not in Spain.

That is why they give it such a grand name as "digital wallet." It's meant to become the basis for that European digital id you refer to, and used for much more than is happening with this initial trial balloon.

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[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 24 points 5 months ago

If your worst-case scenario for lax online identity is that kids might watch porn... I don't give a shit if kids watch porn.

[–] yamanii@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago

It's easier to just use a VPN and pretend to be from anywhere else...

[–] FeelThePower@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 5 months ago

I don't think porn is a good thing, but the fact that even if you're an adult with a pass you are limited is pretty bizarre. this is on top of the fact that you are already giving up your privacy to view it.

[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago

Surely this will work.

[–] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What gets me about this is that, while it would still be bad, they could have mostly avoided the privacy nightmare here with some kind of Zero Knowledge Proof scheme, but the tracking is obviously part of the point.

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[–] fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Idiots. I'm certain that absolutely no one wants this. What a shit show.

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