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[-] TinyPizza@kbin.social 135 points 9 months ago

From the article

Katyal is an MSNBC mainstay who came to prominence as a liberal defender of Republican president Donald Trump’s Supreme Court nominees, all of whom will now rule on the case. In recent years, Katyal has helped Nestlé defend itself in a child slavery case before the Supreme Court and represented Johnson & Johnson in its bid to use bankruptcy to block lawsuits from cancer victims.

Modern society needs a way to deal with people who are cartoonishly evil. Maybe we should start trying to drop anvils on them or something...

[-] Zehzin@lemmy.world 68 points 9 months ago

Think pointier and more french

[-] muse@kbin.social 39 points 9 months ago

Ahhh... baguette. taps head loud and clear.

[-] Zehzin@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago

Is a baguette even pointier than an anvil?

The answer is clearly the Eiffel tower smh

[-] muse@kbin.social 7 points 9 months ago

You're right my b ✌️😔

[-] mycatiskai@lemmy.one 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

If you do a more rustic baguette and roll the ends tight and pointy then it could be more pointed then the horn of an anvil. Also anvils are heavier on the bottom so would likely drop bottom down not horn first.

I am a former baker and also tried a bit of blacksmithing.

Also eat the rich, don't waste their well fed bodies.

[-] drbluefall@toast.ooo 5 points 9 months ago

Nah, their bodies make perfect projectiles when lit.

YEET THE RICH

[-] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 9 months ago

Also they’re probably really high in cholesterol, even with all those expensive cholesterol drugs in em.

[-] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 1 points 9 months ago

I also imagine the rich would be very tender and very flavourful because of all the not really working and only exploiting the labour of others.

I look forward to firing up the BBQ and eating the rich.

[-] agent_flounder@lemmy.one 4 points 9 months ago

That's one way to get ahead...

[-] Sabata11792@kbin.social 4 points 9 months ago

I need you to step back from the head for your own safety.

[-] Ubermeisters@lemmy.zip 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Yo if there's some extra head around here..

[-] krashmo@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago

We already have a way we've just been conditioned not to use it.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 69 points 9 months ago

Just switch parties if you're going to try to pull this bullshit. Bad enough that it happens, but you also have to tie it to the Democrats?

[-] McJonalds@lemmy.world 38 points 9 months ago

reject the 2 party system. none of them will ever represent a reasonable fan of political views for the majority of people

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 48 points 9 months ago

Maybe sometime, but I don't want Trump to be president, so I don't think I'll be doing that next year.

[-] orclev@lemmy.world 50 points 9 months ago

For the billionth time, that's why we need to get rid of first past the post voting. Its been mathematically proven that FPTP always devolves to two primary parties as it's the most stable configuration. Literally any proportional voting system is better. The front runner is usually ranked choice, but there are a lot of options that all have advantages and disadvantage, so we need to just pick one and use it. We can always use a different one down the line, but the sooner FPTP dies the sooner we can start to develop a healthy selection of political parties.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago

ok, but materially, how do we get there?

[-] Royal_Bitch_Pudding@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago

Historically speaking, guillotine

[-] orclev@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I don't honestly know. Both of the primary parties are going to fight it tooth and nail because it would weaken them drastically and the last thing they want is more competition for votes. I think the only thing we can realistically do is keep spreading the message until the majority of the population is behind the idea just like the ground swell that's working to get marijuana legalized. The problem of course, is that it's not really an exciting thing to get people behind, it's a pretty dry technical issue. So in the meantime, I guess just keep educating people, and keep putting pressure on elected officials to push for it.

Edit: Thinking about it more depending on how things go with the GOP there might be an opportunity there. If E.G. Trump or one of the other extremists manages to fracture the GOP into two competing conservative factions that neither have enough votes to win with we might be able to get conservative voters and politicians to actually back proportional voting as a pure survival tactic. At that point we'd only need to get a small subset of progressive politicians/voters to support it as well.

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

I would start by passing initiatives at the state level. There's no reason state legislatures gain anything from having two districting schemes for state elected offices. You could easily reform state representative districts into a single statewide district with party list voting or similar. This would tear a gaping hole in the two party system that could ripple up to higher levels of reforms.

[-] TinyPizza@kbin.social -2 points 9 months ago

Digital Direct Democracy. You need to win a constitutional ballot initiative in one of the states that has that mechanism and find a way for courts in that state to approve the ballot language. The hiccup is the discrepancy of representatives vs delegates. You need to find a way to make it linguistically work under the federal constitutional framework, while removing the ability for politicians to vote against the will of the people. It would nuke the party system from the inside and could potentially spread to a dozen or so states that have the same system of constitutional ballot initiatives. If you can do it in enough large states it will begin to undermine the power monopoly that's put us into gridlock. It's also likely the least corruptible system possible and has the potential to create a streamlined and nimble government that's adapted to react faster in an uncertain future. It heavily relies on technology though, so creating robust redundancies will be challenging.

[-] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 8 points 9 months ago

That's not going to happen before the next election.

[-] agitatedpotato@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 9 months ago

Its never gonna happen before the next election, and the next election will always be the most important, so unless you start voting for people who support it, the cycle will continue.

[-] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago

Fair. Who supports it that we can vote for?

[-] agitatedpotato@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 9 months ago

Best bet is to check local elections and hope the trend moves upwards. Something tells me dems are more likely to support it, but many only will if they're not winning enough elections. If people see local elections being swayed and/or ranked choice or instant runoff voting being a wedge issues, that's about the best I can imagine actually happening.

[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 7 points 9 months ago

And after that it'll be the next ghoul. It doesn't end. We need real change yesterday.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

If you don't think Biden's presidency, as lacking as it is, isn't miles better than Trump's, I don't know what to tell you. Personally, I don't want Ukraine to be handed to Russia on a silver platter.

[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 6 points 9 months ago

When I say reject the two party system I'm thinking "tear it down" more than "just vote third party"

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

How do you expect to achieve that right now?

[-] darq@kbin.social 15 points 9 months ago

Until the US replaces the first-past-the-post voting system, you cannot reject the two-party system.

[-] weedazz@lemmy.world -3 points 9 months ago

Lol as if the average American could ever comprehend anything other than "my tribe" vs "not my tribe"

[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Switch parties? Why?

That would undermine the very reason a republican infiltrated the democrat party to begin with.. Cant screw up the democrat party if hes not in it, doing what hes supposed to do as an agent of the gop.

[-] NightAuthor@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

This isn’t so far fetched for corporatist dems.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

💯 this. So many voters are in a position if any D will do, and that's how and where we get these scumbag turncoats.

Send them packing.

[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 23 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Let them outlaw every way of making things fairer peacefully.

I am fine with them choosing that ending.

[-] spaceghoti@lemmy.one 14 points 9 months ago

So are people really focusing on a fringe minority within the party and claiming that they somehow represent the entire party? Have other Democrats been given a chance to respond to this? Are they even aware that it's happening?

[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 17 points 9 months ago

The other Dems will wring their hands and maybe scold them.

[-] spaceghoti@lemmy.one -2 points 9 months ago

Maybe. Maybe they'll disavow their actions. Maybe their efforts to "scold them" are all anyone can really do since this is a lawsuit?

Maybe, just maybe, what these assholes are doing doesn't actually represent the Democratic Party?

Nah, I'm sure that's just too much nuance to be acceptable.

[-] Poggervania@kbin.social 0 points 9 months ago

This is a bunch of greedy politicians helping out their ~~donors~~ corporate sponsors. You’ll probably have some Dems be like “oh noooo that’s bad”, but they ultimately do not give a shit because they still take money from corporate interests and anything that will actually affect the rich is a Very Bad Thing (tm).

This is practically class warfare.

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