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As a starting point, the burning of fossil fuels, and to a lesser extent deforestation and release of methane are responsible for the warming in recent decades: Graph of temperature as observed with significant warming, and simulated without added greenhouse gases and other anthropogentic changes, which shows no significant warming

How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world: IPCC AR6 Figure 2 - Thee bar charts: first chart: how much each gas has warmed the world.  About 1C of total warming.  Second chart:  about 1.5C of total warming from well-mixed greenhouse gases, offset by 0.4C of cooling from aerosols and negligible influence from changes to solar output, volcanoes, and internal variability.  Third chart: about 1.25C of warming from CO2, 0.5C from methane, and a bunch more in small quantities from other gases.  About 0.5C of cooling with large error bars from SO2.

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[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 139 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

It's never clear whether they're more corrupt or more stupid. But they're determined to bury their heads in the sand over the most important issue ever to face humanity, and dismantle the resources the USA has to mitigate the disaster. Corrupt and stupid and delusional.

[–] RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works 63 points 4 months ago (9 children)

Fuck climate change, NOAA provides hurricane and heat warnings. They're what most weather providers use as the basis for telling people if you should grab an umbrella on your way out the door

Starting a culture war with the weather is the stupidest thing I've ever heard of. What's your end game? Weatherman Alex Jones telling Floridians to go to the beach because the hurricane is just going to glide by safely and bring a nice cool breeze to the shore to keep you comfy?

[–] BigMikeInAustin@lemmy.world 34 points 4 months ago

Rush Limbaugh told his listeners that a hurricane was fake and to stay. Then the day before the hurricane, just before all the airports are shut down, he is off the air because he was "forcibly moved."

https://www.gq.com/story/rush-limbaugh-evacuates-irma

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[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 38 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Corrupt and stupid and delusional.

Fossil fascism in action.

[–] Midnitte@beehaw.org 34 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They want to privatize everything.

[–] rekabis@lemmy.ca 7 points 4 months ago

The older I get, the more I buck prior societal trends and lean socialist.

Capitalism is a benefit only to the Parasite Class. It’s an absolute scam for everyone else.

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[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 120 points 4 months ago (4 children)

This is the typical Republican playbook. Privatize, their friends take control, and then they get the government to pay their cronies huge sums of money for the services the government used to provide for itself for a fraction of the cost. It's what they are trying to do with school vouchers too.

[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 48 points 4 months ago (1 children)

don't forget private prisons. after they're done with all that, get ready to pay for your fire and police department subscriptions

[–] 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 8 points 4 months ago

Plutarch (Plut. Crass. 2.3-4) states that Marcus Crassus, one of the members of the ‘First Triumvirate’5, owed a good portion of his wealth to “fire and war”. In order to make the most out of the frequent destruction of houses by fire, Crassus bought over five hundred slaves, all of whom were architects and builders. He then proceeded to find homeowners whose houses had burnt down (or, in some cases, were still burning!) and negotiate the purchase of their property, after which he would reconstruct the buildings and sell them on at a price; the very literal sense of a real estate ‘fire sale’!

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 4 months ago

Except that private weather companies use freely available government data and "enrich" it for the public for a fee.

Which is, imo, even more on brand with Republicans.

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 19 points 4 months ago

It’s thinly veiled stealing your money and putting it into their pocket.

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[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 88 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That sounds like something I would put on my plan to undermine and cripple a country if you ask me. Did an enemy of America write Project 2025?

[–] Omgboom@lemmy.zip 69 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Нет. This not truth. /j

[–] AnarchoSnowPlow@midwest.social 43 points 4 months ago (2 children)

"Make Tornadoes a Surprise Again!"

[–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Don't worry, they're also doing that by taking down storm sirens and replacing them with mobile alerts because basic maintenance is too much to ask. They just assume everyone has access to a phone at all times and that said phone is charged and capable of receiving the alert. Y'know, because the young and elderly don't deserve to be warned of an incoming tornado!

[–] flicker@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Hold on. Let me tell you. Sirens in Tennessee are the most bass ackward thing already.

Instead of having a siren sound going off while there is danger in the area... the siren going off is just the NOAA voice reading the alert like you hear on the radio! Big ass "siren" goes, "The National Weather Service has issued a tornado warning for (list of counties). At 7:55PM, Central Daylight Time, a storm capable of producing a tornado was located-"

After it reads off this useless info, what does it do? It shuts off. It stops making noise.

How are you supposed to hear it over the rain and thunder? How are you supposed to know when the danger is passed?

If it worked like it does in Oklahoma I would defend it but this is a travesty.

[–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That's certainly not normal. I've seen numerous recordings of voice-capable sirens from TN and I've never seen one broadcast any EAS messages. Usually there's pre-recorded messages like "Tornado warning. This is a tornado warning. Residents should immediately take cover." stored on the controller which is used for such cases. For the siren to be doing what you're describing means something is seriously wrong with your sirens. Probably an incompetent EMA manager.

[–] flicker@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I obviously refuse to tell you what specific part of Tennessee I'm in but I'll try to find someone to email about it.

[–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago

Definitely get in contact woth with your local EMA. With storms only getting worse and more frequent it's pretty urgent.

[–] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 months ago

I'm just going to call my friends who live to the west every 10 minutes and ask if there's a tornado there. If they don't answer I'll just assume there is one and go hide. Problem solved.

[–] dank953@lemmy.world 42 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Because they allowed him to embarrass himself with the hurricane sharpie situation.

[–] FatLegTed@piefed.social 19 points 4 months ago

I wouldn't mind betting there's an element of truth there. The orange man child would do it out of spite.

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 5 points 4 months ago

Precisely. The god dictator will have them all executed in time.

[–] PedroMaldonado@lemmy.world 40 points 4 months ago (1 children)

These jerks are doing it because they don't want to hear bad climate news. Fucking brilliant.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Oh no that's how they're getting it done. They want to do it because they want to make even more money off of weather apps.

[–] aramova@lemmy.world 36 points 4 months ago

They still mad that they didn't change their hurricane report when Trump redrew it with a Sharpie.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 35 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Basically do what you did to healthcare to the entire country

The US will next year be a third world banana Republic dictatorship

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[–] Audacious@sh.itjust.works 14 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Uhh wtf? I use NOAA to get my weather, no ads, no bs.

[–] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 19 points 4 months ago (2 children)

We alllll use NOAA to get our weather. That's what every weather forcaster uses. Even in Canada a lot of our data is from NOAA. Environment Canada has their own data but it's pretty shit in comparison.

[–] Audacious@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 months ago (3 children)

TIL, didn't know how important it is.

[–] capital@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (3 children)

If Trump wins I’m afraid more people will be saying this more often about more services.

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[–] III@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Dude, there is a regularly updated gif of recent radar activity specific to your area. You can just bookmark the gif.

https://radar.weather.gov/ridge/standard/KDIX_loop.gif

Fuck dredging through whatever ad filled apps or websites..

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[–] radicalautonomy@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Sweet fucking christ, what the fuck is wrong with these cunts?! Fucking why?!?!?

[–] SkybreakerEngineer@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

Because Barry Myers is CEO of AccuWeather, and he paid good money to be Director of NOAA for 4 years

[–] memfree@beehaw.org 10 points 4 months ago

It further notes that scientific agencies such as NOAA are “vulnerable to obstructionism of an Administration’s aims,” so appointees should be screened to ensure that their views are “wholly in sync” with the president’s.

do we want flood-risk predictions sponsored by a flood-insurance company, or heat advisories from an air-conditioning conglomerate?

The agency is home to one of the most significant repositories of climate data on Earth, which includes information on shifting atmospheric conditions and the health of coastal fisheries, plus hundreds of thousands of years’ worth of ice-core and tree-ring data.

Eliminating or privatizing climate information won’t eliminate the effects of climate change. It will only make them more deadly.

It sounds like the counter to this is to point out to voters that they don't really want to pay more for fish because fishermen can't get data, and we don't want planes to be even less reliable AND cost more because the government stops tracking upper level wind speeds, and that, generally, we want people who get a salary for doing accurate work rather than people who get paid to say whatever the bossman want to hear. Ask them to imagine how it would work if Google, NBC, Amazon, and Fox each sunk the money for trying to replicate the existing infrastructure and then sold pieces of it to paying customers -- such as Allstate, CBS, and Delta Airlines. Everyone else would have to HOPE they were getting complete data and have to wonder what was missing. Noticing record highs and lows would become proprietary and forbidden from broadcast in a way akin to being disallowed from referencing "The Superbowl" unless you pay for a license. How's any of that going to work?

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 months ago

they want to do to themselves what they have been doing to the third world

[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

That's how we solve the homeless crisis and the unemployment?....

So are there any hurricanes coming this month? Dunno. Oh well!

Hurricane comes and erases let's say 10% of Texas and Florida. Then we just ship the homeless there to rebuild, and live permanently until another hurricane 🌀.

Yeah great idea! And imagine the economical impact if everyone was employed!

[–] Got_Bent@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I just got a weather alert for severe storms. If they get rid of NOAA does that mean that I've just got to hope for the best at all times?

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 3 points 4 months ago
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