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65% of U.S. adults say the way the president is elected should be changed so that the winner of the popular vote nationwide wins the presidency.

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[-] Smacks@lemmy.world 169 points 9 months ago

It'd be nice to go beyond and have some sort of ranked voting while we're at it. Essentially being forced to pick between two parties or risk having your vote being wasted sucks.

[-] Johanno@feddit.de 25 points 9 months ago

I don't know how the american system works, but voting for small parties should not considered a wasted vote. It helps the party even if they don't get elected

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 55 points 9 months ago

It's worse than wasted. It's effectively a half-vote for the major candidate you like the least.

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[-] TunaLobster@lemmy.ml 23 points 9 months ago

If a party receives 5% of the popular vote, they start to receive funding from the FEC. That hasn't happened in a while for a third party.

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[-] beebarfbadger@lemmy.world 88 points 9 months ago

BREAKING: group of people whose only chance of getting elected is relying on the Electoral College not thrilled about the idea of abandoning the Electoral College

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[-] squirrelwithnut@lemmy.world 79 points 9 months ago

Ranked choice voting please.

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[-] Changetheview@lemmy.world 59 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Part of this piece has an excellent insight into the dichotomy of the Republican Party. Of those highly engaged with politics, only 27% want to ditch the electoral college! These people understand the party is unpopular and the tactics used to hold power are a necessary way to get their policies.

The rest of the group feels otherwise, probably NOT because they don’t care if their candidate gets elected, but rather that they don’t understand how crucial it is to their party (along with gerrymandering). And their first gut instinct is that popular vote is justified/rational/logical whatever.

Now for a little thought experiment: What would happen if this became an actual campaign issue? I’d put my money on those 27% being able to convince the rest of the party how important it is, flipping their view. Maybe I’m wrong, but since many R voters tent to put self interests above all else, it logically follows that they’re just not understanding how critical the electoral college is. If their talking heads went on air/TV each day and stopped talking about how immigrants are stealing jobs or poor people are taking their hard earned money, and instead focused on the importance of the electoral college, they’d flip. Not because they think it’s right or justified. Because they think it’s best for themselves and their party. And it’s the current rallying cry.

Now apply this across an entire party, with those highly engaged telling the others how to vote, what to think about policy, and what the outcomes will be. Bring together uneducated people already susceptible to misinformation, and pair them with intelligent and extremely vocal/active groups who can sell snake oil like the best of them. Take that minority vote and put some real numbers behind it… likely not enough to get a majority, but enough to win a sophisticated electoral college or gerrymandered district.

[-] PupBiru@kbin.social 33 points 9 months ago

they probably wouldn’t even try and hide it: they’d literally just come out and say the electoral college helps keep the democrats out and they’d vote for it

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[-] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 49 points 9 months ago

Republicans would never win a nationwide election again. They'd actually have to come up with policies people want. Not gonna happen anytime soon.

[-] markon@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago

I've had family that votes Republican say this, they will literally defend the minority vote winning. They see democracy as "mob rule." Well, if a bunch of rich assholes getting to decide who's president, and a system where the people with the least votes win, how is that not mob rule?

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[-] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 48 points 9 months ago

Americans, lobby your state to join the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact

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[-] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 47 points 9 months ago

If the president was chosen by popular vote, I think you could make a reasonable case that the last Republican president would have been George H.W. Bush in 1988. George W. Bush did win the popular vote against John Kerry in 2004, but he lost it to Al Gore in 2000 so it's debatable whether or not he would have beaten an incumbent Gore in 2004 I think.

[-] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social 27 points 9 months ago

And now you see why the Republicans are so against it. They can’t win in a straight vote.

[-] nxfsi@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago

I could also make a reasonable case that election strategies would have changed to more populist stances to accommodate for that.

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago

Bush did say if the popular vote mattered he'd have campaigned in Texas. Changes the entire landscape.

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[-] kibiz0r@midwest.social 40 points 9 months ago

National Popular Vote Interstate Compact

Introduced in 2006, as of August 2023 it has been adopted by sixteen states and the District of Columbia. These jurisdictions have 205 electoral votes, which is 38% of the Electoral College and 76% of the 270 votes needed to give the compact legal force.

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[-] Shadywack@lemmy.world 38 points 9 months ago

Two things I'd love to see. Eliminating the electoral college and then getting rid of superdelegates. Two fundamentally anti-democratic concepts.

[-] aidan@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

Well superdelegates aren't exactly something the government can legislate away because they're just an internal thing of the DNC.

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[-] AgentGrimstone@lemmy.world 38 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

My vote would finally matter. My state already knows who it's supporting with or without me.

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[-] mojo@lemm.ee 35 points 9 months ago

They will never allow that because it'll kill the entire republican party lol

[-] Wogi@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

Won't be good for Democrats either. System is rigged for two parties and two parties only.

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[-] DaCrazyJamez@sh.itjust.works 33 points 9 months ago

The electoral college was created at a time when faster-than-horse communication didn't exist. It made sense then, but has not grown with the times.

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[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 31 points 9 months ago

The whole thing is absurd and overly represents rural areas and Republicans. We already have a huge problem with the "2 senators per state" thing and the House representing Republicans far too much in relation to their numbers.

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 23 points 9 months ago

I'm 100% okay with the 2 senators per state thing. That's a feature, not a bug. Even though cities are on the right side of history right now, I don't want to completely silence the rural vote forever.

However, arbitrarily limiting the number of House reps is absolutely absurd and counter to the purpose of the House. That is a bug.

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[-] Buelldozer 29 points 9 months ago

Instead of tilting at the windmill that is removing the EC how about we do something much easier and simpler and simply expand the House of Representatives? Not only would this add votes to the EC and make the Presidential Elections more representative it would also, you know, make the HoR more Representative! For extra fun it would also diminish the returns of gerrymandering since there would be so many more districts.

All we need is a change to the Re-Apportionment Act of 1929. There is no good reason that the size of the HoR is fixed at 435. None.

[-] MiikCheque@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

For extra fun it would also diminish the returns of gerrymandering since there would be so many more districts.

you should lead with this

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[-] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 28 points 9 months ago

Unfortunately the elected representatives don't care what the majority of citizens want.

[-] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 17 points 9 months ago

Hell, a good chunk of the citizens vote for people that don't support their lives or values. It's fucked top to bottom.

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[-] foggy@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago

When you say majority, do you mean by popular vote, or...

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[-] mrmeseeks1994@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago

I propose the National Popular Vote Interstate compact. Cgp grey has an amazing video on it. It's a "petition" of sorts that basically says that states that sign it will have its elective representatives vote with the majority vote of their said state.

Here's the video if anyone wants to watch it: https://youtu.be/tUX-frlNBJY

[-] KillAllPoorPeople@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The "founding fathers" would be against the electoral college today too. The electoral college was an idea to try to get the people to directly vote for the president.

[-] Furbag@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

The electoral college was necessary because it would have been logistically impossible for people living in 18th and 19th century America to be able to participate in a single-day one person one vote election, given their level of technology at the time.

We live in the 21st century. We have instantaneous means of communication via the internet making designating an elector to travel to Washington unnecessary, a greatly expanded infrastructure via roads and mass transit for people to travel to polling places in a reasonable amount of time in a day, computers that can tally the ballots many hundreds of times faster than a human being can, and vastly expanded capacity for handling the logistics of running a nationwide election including a complex bureaucracy dedicated to oversight and enforcement of voting laws and regulations.

The electoral college is an archaic system whose only purpose has been completely supplanted by modern technology. Any notion of rogue electors defending the republic from authoritarians and populists is not only historically false, but given the fact that they failed to prevent exactly that situation from happening once already, laughably ineffective.

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[-] AnonTwo@kbin.social 17 points 9 months ago

I feel like while the electoral college is an issue, it's the gerrymandering that is ultimately the biggest issue.

And in fact probably also contributes to the electoral college issue.

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[-] nucleative@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

First we need a federal initiative/ referendum system. Because the existing politicians will never vote to limit their own power.

After we have this, we can start with initiatives that set maximum ages, fix the voting systems. Fix Roe. Dismantle the terrible stranglehold the two party system has on getting anything done.

Do all the things that are popular but politicians will never do.

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[-] _number8_@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

there is absolutely no valid argument to do anything that isn't simply tallying all the votes. because of course that's how it should work

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[-] e1219@lemm.ee 12 points 9 months ago

We could start by reconsidering the Reapportionment Act of 1929...

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