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Can someone explain why so many people here are FOR blocking Threads.net on a server level? (sh.itjust.works)
submitted 3 months ago by Arcane2077@sh.itjust.works to c/main@sh.itjust.works
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I might not be understanding something about the fediverse, but isn't this like if you couldn't send or receive email from a friend because you use gmail Google decided to block @icloud domains?

Like, you're not forced to follow or interact with it, and are free to block it if you can think of a reason to, I just don't see why such an open platform used to limit users in this way

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[–] TheOneCurly@lemm.ee 92 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The concept as I understand it is that Threads has the sheer volume of content to completely drown out the existing Fedi content if it fully opens the floodgates. If that occurs and say 90% of content becomes Threads and then they start making Threads only extensions to Activity Pub, servers will have to start patching those in and the Activity Pub project is defacto owned by Meta.

People also have issues with the Meta content moderation and the population on Threads, but as you noted that's fixable on an individual and community level. The existential threat to the future of the Fediverse is why servers should defederate. Meta can't and shouldn't be trusted with any amount of power over this community project.

[–] placatedmayhem@lemmy.world 44 points 3 months ago (1 children)

This is called "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish". Microsoft coined the term internally for their responses to open standards in the 90's and 00's.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works -5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Lemmy World is doing a pretty good job of that themselves. I don't hate them, but I don't understand why.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

No, they aren't. They aren't by any means.

Maybe there are more posts from that instance, but there is no one trying to then extend the protocol with the objective of requesting special features and then killing off the protocol.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works -3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

They haven't gone that far yet, but they're on their way. I didn't think they were like that in the beginning either, but they certainly were advertising themselves to be the best place to go in the beginning for some unknown reason. They now try and take over every community and/or shut down smaller ones. An admin was curating things, which isn't a great sign. Granted, it was just an admin, but I'm not welcome there anymore. They act like reddit, so I think of them like reddit. That's just my take, you're totally welcome to disagree, and you obviously do. I didn't see the value in spreading out in the fediverse, now I do.

[–] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

didn’t see the value in spreading out in the fediverse, now I do.

Welcome to the other instances!

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Ty, I really like SJW, they're pretty great here.

[–] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 months ago

It's a nice one

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 52 points 3 months ago

I don’t want to interact with anything related to that company. There’s a reason I don’t have accounts on any of their platforms. I don’t like them.

[–] takeda@lemmy.world 36 points 3 months ago

Because I remember this https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html

And it feels like deja vu.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 34 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I think the argument is that Meta would hoover up and profit from posts from people who don't consent to use it. AFAIK, you can't block an instance from seeing your posts and comments, so the only real option is defederation.

[–] merde@sh.itjust.works 20 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

because fuck facebook and its ten other names and fuck zuckerberg too

[–] nobleshift@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You understand perfectly well.

This is not genuine discource. You post in bad faith with a tactic as old as Reddit. Piss off slag.

[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 18 points 3 months ago

I simply don’t trust Meta. That’s all.

[–] nyahlathotep@sh.itjust.works 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

All the arguments were had here: https://sh.itjust.works/post/11011288

edit: and the subsequent vote where we decided to defederate: https://sh.itjust.works/post/11308397

[–] Anarki_@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Facebook bad.

Yes that's my whole take.

[–] criitz@reddthat.com 14 points 3 months ago

This is all you need.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 months ago

Fascist-adjacent.

Overwhelmingly large.

E-mail does not work the same way.

[–] otter@lemmy.ca 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Some more discussion on this old post here, both for and against

https://lemmy.ca/post/11771031

[–] Arcane2077@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago

Thank you for the link

[–] Gabadabs@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 months ago

I went to fedi to avoid big corporations and what they've done with social media. Why would I want their platform having access to my posts? I don't trust meta or any of the other big tech companies. In fact, the main mastodon instance I use blocks threads entirely and that's one of the reasons I joined it.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago

For me it's just "fuck Meta." Fuck that company for coming here.

[–] sj_zero@lotide.fbxl.net -5 points 3 months ago

Lots of people love to defederate anything at the drop of a hat.

That's it.

In reality, threads and lemmy aren't even the same type of thing and are unlikely to intersect on a regular basis, in the same way you don't see many posts from mastodon or pleroma.

One thing I find funny about the whole thing is meta is a bunch of corpos, so it isn't that hard to just get them to defederate from you if you're willing to grow a spine. My network is blocked, and I believe it's because I called the maintainer of fediblock a nazi gestapo a bunch of times and demanded they add my site to their list of wrongthinkers or I'd call them doubleplus ungood, thus getting on a list that mindless drones use because it's easier to just follow orders, regardless of where those orders come from.

lol