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I keep hearing that Ukraine has invaded Russia or is "winning again" or some such.

So what's the SitRep?

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[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Basically, Ukraine pulled off a bunch of troops and reserves from the already collapsing front in Donbas, and made an incursion into Kursk. I imagine they are starting to panic because Russia is now visibly on offensive, meanwhile world attention is shifting to West Asia. So, this stunt was likely intended to put them back in the spotlight, and to try and paint a picture that Ukraine still has offensive capacity. Looks like they allocated something like 12k troops to it, and the nuclear power plant in the region might've been the target. However, predictably they didn't get far, and at this point it looks like Russia has the initiative.

I think this was a disastrous miscalculation on Ukraine's part. They were already in a weak position where they couldn't hold the front, and the troops and machinery they allocated to this, would've been much better used to support their collapsing positions. Instead, they threw them into the open where it's much easier for Russian army to engage them. Wasting manpower at this scale when you're already on a back foot is not a smart move. Once Russians push them out of Kursk, it's almost certain that they will proceed to open another front in Sumy region. This is something that Ukraine can ill afford.

All that said, the most dramatic developments are happening around Pokrovsk where it looks like Russia will be able to make it all the way to Dnepr. Once that happens, Ukrainian army will be split in two limiting the ability to support and reinforce where needed. At that point we'll likely start seeing general collapse of the AFU.

So, we're likely seeing history on repeat here where the battle of Kursk will once again prove to be decisive.

[–] Makan@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 months ago

Starring.

Thanks for the explanation!

[–] cwtshycwtsh@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Massively winning like always. I like how media has been fairly vague and making this sound bigger advancement than what it actually is.

[–] frippa@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Another map that i found so that our American comrades can undestand better (no offense, underfunded schools n all that, but the average American probably cant find ukraine on a map)

Ukraine is in blue, the parts occupied by Russia are in green and the "huge and glorious" ukrainian advance into Kursk is in yellow.

[–] rostselmasch@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 3 months ago

Its over, Texas will win soon. Slava Texas, glory to Texas.

[–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 3 months ago

The one upside to a Texas education is you get to respond with this:

[–] Makan@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 3 months ago

Yeah, the fact that Russia was "reluctant" to move troops from their encampments in the country is rather telling.

[–] MatBC@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Is that written in Finnish?

[–] cwtshycwtsh@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] MatBC@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 months ago

Nice, I don't speak a lick of Finnish but I find it a cool language, and with puzzling history, very nice

[–] JoeDaRedTrooperYT@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Why's Russia called Venäjä in what I assume is Finnish?

[–] cwtshycwtsh@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 months ago
[–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Media reporting: just zoom in and it'll look like a big deal!

444 square miles (1,150 square kilometers)

Lol

[–] cwtshycwtsh@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Beautiful.

Here is another one:

[–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Wow, I can't believe they invaded Finland. Why would they do that? /s

[–] cwtshycwtsh@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 months ago

IKR. The capital is lost. Finland has fallen. Billions must Slava Ukraini.

[–] JaredLevi@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 3 months ago (3 children)

From what I've seen, the Ukrainians launched an attack on Kursk. Lots of civilians have fled. According to the Ukrainian leadership and the west they are pushing deeper with nothing to lose and have regained the spirit of the war. According to Russia they don't even really seem to care about it. At most they say it will be a detriment to Ukraine.

[–] Comprehensive49@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

If you watch the most recent show with Scott Ritter (full summary by me here), he reports from Russian sources that Russia has already knocked out the Kursk invasion's logistics, is capturing their equipment, and now just has to kill and capture the leftover Ukrainian stragglers.

The invasion force was equipped with the nicest NATO gear, indicating this incursion was planned and executed by NATO, not Ukraine alone. Do not believe the shit in the media about Zelensky ordering this alone. NATO ordered this, its failure is just a nice excuse to get rid of Zelensky for someone more malleable.

We will see severe Russian retaliation for this, possibly even attacking F16 bases in Poland and Romania in return.

We can guarantee this is pretty accurate because Ritter has talked with Apti Alaudinov earlier, one of the Russian commanders assigned to clean up the invasion.

[–] DankZedong@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Poland and Romania are both NATO members and an attack on them will mean a possibly World War so I doubt Russia will attack them if it doesn't need to right now.

[–] Comprehensive49@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

The thing is, it's an equivalent response to the Ukrainian invasion. NATO has invaded Russia, so Russia has the right to retaliate in kind towards NATO. I hope they bomb the Ukronazis back to the stone age.

[–] DankZedong@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Absolutely. I wouldn't blame them for doing so though I wonder if Russia would actually risk a major escalation when they inevitably stop this incursion by Ukraine.

[–] Comprehensive49@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I just don't see what Russia loses from doing so anymore. All of NATO is already attacking them, so the only real further escalation is nukes.

NATO is already sending all its gear to Ukraine, so no new gear will magically appear if Russia starts striking Poland and Romania. In the grand scheme, it would actually make things easier for Russia since they can take out command, control, and repair centers used by Ukraine that they currently allow to exist in NATO countries.

[–] cayde6ml@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I agree that Russia is reluctant to a fault and that Russia should do more, and I agree that NATO's talk of striking against Russia if Russia attacked Poland and Romania is mostly bluster, but as always the U.S. is the major problem/worry. While U.S. would likely be outmatched by Russia, at least in the short term possibly, in the medium-long term, the U.S. would turn even further into a rabid dog to attack Russia and the Global South in general, and we all know that the capitalist media would slander and gaslight Russia for daring to defend themselves, and the corrupt billionaire cracker fucks of the West/Global North would probably mysteriously "find" multiple billions of dollars of loans and stored equipment and diplomatic favors to escalate the conflict, since in the west, money doesn't matter so much for the ruling class parasites.

[–] Comprehensive49@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 3 months ago

Agree.

Keep in mind, the Kursk offensive's goal seemed to be to take control of the Kursk nuclear power plant to threaten a nuclear meltdown on Russian soil and/or to take control of nuclear weapons nearby. In other words, Ukraine tried to directly threaten nuclear war as a bargaining chip.

If Ukraine and NATO wants nukes that badly, Russia should deliver them the experience, whether via nukes or conventional munitions. I honestly do not give a shit anymore what happens to the Ukronazis. If they want to get glassed that badly, Russia should give it to them.

[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Having the right to do something and it actually being the strategically smart thing to do are two different things.

Ritter is usually mostly correct when he talks about what is currently going on and has a good grasp of the history of this conflict, but his short term predictions tend to be unreliable. This is because he projects his American mentality onto the Russians.

What we have observed so far in this conflict is that Russia is cautious to a fault and very unwilling to escalate. They are comfortable with the pace that things are progressing at and don't want to rock the boat. Unpredictable things can happen when you escalate.

The Kiev regime and its western handlers on the other hand are constantly trying to provoke precisely such an escalation in order to possibly escape the slow but sure trajectory to defeat that they currently find themselves on. Why would Russia give them what they want?

[–] Kultronx@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 3 months ago

Russia attacking Poland and Romania? Definitely not.

[–] TankieReplyBot@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

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[–] PoY@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 3 months ago

according to msnbc nightly news Ukraine is winning the war and capturing Russian soldiers and tanks and everyone clapped

[–] Franfran2424@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 3 months ago

Ukraine is taking heavy losses with its mobile warfare approach, now that Russia reinforcements arrived.

They took a important town and have the option to threaten a couple more. But they are unlikely to take those and really haven't done much damage, while they keep losing ground on other fronts.

[–] Makan@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 months ago

He said, she said, though I believe Russia in this.

[–] lemmyseizethemeans@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Funny how that war has just drifted from sight. It's almost like nobody gives a shit anymore, not seeing a lot of Ukrainian flags in bio lately.

[–] Makan@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 months ago

Yeah, noticed that too

[–] commiewolf@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's Steiner's counterattack!

[–] Makan@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 months ago
[–] 666@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I don't follow the battlefield map or such on Ukraine; but I'd like to remind everyone of the sheer loss that Ukraine has had pushing this far and how large Russia is. The historical examples we have of the past in that very area. That's all.