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Y'all don't get me started on the blight that is the "only thing that matters is how fast you beat game" modern mindset. I don't think my brain can keep staving off the aneurysms provoked by the rant I have on this subject.

MOBAs were a plague that killed off just about the entire RTS genre that birthed them, but even before that, yeah, esports bullshit like "clicks per minute" fixations removed a lot of the strategy possibilities in RTS games in favor of "click really fast and outproduce the enemy to win."

RTS games with unit limits helped a bit with that.

Back in the "good ol' days" when RTS's weren't expected to be competitive spectator sports.

Every modern RTS wants to be the new starcraft which includes the fast pace gameplay, they dont want the slow dark age gameplay that may bore spectators

I play tons of the old Starcraft, X-Com Apocalypse, Jagged Alliance 1.13, Alpha Centauri Alien Crossfire, Faster Than Light, Company of Heroes 1, etc. Maybe Transport Tycoon Deluxe could be sort-of decribed as a RTS also?

Older games from the 90s-early 2000s have this certain enjoyment factor that many (but not all) newer games lack. Being able to also cheat in an old game is amazing, like absolutely dicking down an enemy with a squad of 12 Terran Battlecruisers. Or modifying weapons like the early-game laser cannons in X-Com: Apocalypse to fire extremely fast and at longer ranges, to then subsequently level 90% of the city in a constant maelstrom of piss because a UFO spawned in. Oh and also there's so much piss onscreen that a modern gaming PC with a Ryzen 7 starts to dry-heave on a game released when Nelson Mandela was still president.

Death to AmeriKKKa

i used to love RTS as well but have the same complaints. can't do tactics it just feels like the games are designed for twitchy fast paced multiplayer e-sports.

WARNO (latest in the Cold war era Wargame series) seems pretty slow paced. it even has a way to give commands while paused in single player (or virtually paused, i think it's at like 1/100 speed) also unlike the others it seems to be designed around single player

no resource gathering though i think you just secure objectives to gain more points to spend for units. plus side you can use cool Soviet tanks and troops

sure, but I think I'm not into the fast paced games because I'm getting old, but I also don't like the trend in general. I think there's an untapped market for good turn based strategy games, which I'm currently working on a crappy indie game to address.

I only like RTS games where you can pause and issue orders for this reason. Like Kenshi puts you in brutal situations all the time, but it rarely feels unfair (or at least unfair in a way that's different from what you expect) because you basically play as a hivemind where at any point you can stop time and do everybody's thinking for them.

And if I'm playing something larger scale it's even more important, because you're telling me that I, the person commanding all this, wouldn't be constantly delegating and being briefed on shit? I have to check up on all the resources, keep track of all the units and equipment, build all the buildings, and personally schedule every troop movement from paratrooper assaults to scouting parties? Fuck you, give me time powers! I understand it's boring to realistically say "destroy this point" and then have a bunch of your underlings make a plan and carry it out with their underlings, but in their effort to avoid that boring layer of disengagement, they've added the anxiety of having to do the work of a general and their lieutenants. I just think the way most RTS games simulate total control without a chain of command sets them up for this pitfall.

Also I just want my little infantry squads to mean something, you know?

RA3 is slower than RA2, which is one thing that people complained about with regards to the former.
RA3 was specifically designed to make the game slower, with fewer resources in order to promote more thoughtful military compositions and strategy.

If anything, I find the 90s RTS games, played at high speed (which is seemingly the standard for them) seem to be much 'faster' than the more modern ones.

There's no combat (it's more of a resource manager), but you would probably like "against the storm".

This is probably why my favourite rts's are also the slowest, supreme commander and Homeworld 1

I'm a huge RTS enjoyer but never could get too into the faster modern RTS games so let me recommend Dune: Spice Wars or Northgard, both are made by the same devs and go for a very relaxed and tactical pace, there are still moments where you might have to react to something happening fast, especially in Dune (sand worm might be about to eat your army, if you aren't paying attention they will all die within like 10 seconds) but they are both pretty fun. Sins of a Solar Empire also has a pretty deliberate pace, I haven't tried the new one yet though.

Me playing Total Warhammer battles at 0.5x speed so I have anything even approaching a chance to do the necessary micro for using chariots (I still can't)

Peak RTS for me is either the original Homeworld or Rome: Total War, both for different reasons.

In Homeworld you tend to build up your forces while lumbering through the map from objective to objective, launching little raids with your strike craft against your opponent's resource while scouting their unit comp so that you can add the appropriate counters to your fleet, and then the match ends in a glorious orgy of violence where you get to see who did it better.

Rome tends to start with the orgy of violence, where your best units square off with your opponent's and then depending on your initial deployment you will probably win in one area and lose in another, making the mid- and late-game about reacting appropriately to changing conditions.

And both games got worse in their sequels by adding a bunch of special abilities and other unnecessary fluff. No, I don't want whether I win or lose to be determined by whether or not I pressed the "increase damage" button at the optimal time, I want it to be because my bombers went uncountered and cleaned house against the enemy battleships!