Although a comment close below puts a little dent into that ^^

https://github.com/mozilla/> standards-positions/issues/852#issuecomment-1649928726

I guess, even if "it contradicts our principles and vision for the Web.", it might happen just like the past:

https://hacks.mozilla.org/2014/05/reconciling-mozillas-mission-and-w3c-eme/ Formal objection: FLOSS and EME w3c/encrypted-media#378 https://daniele.tech/2014/05/firefox-drm-and-w3c-eme-complicated-technical-matter/

They never really were the company they claimed to be.

With banking, streaming, there isn't really an easy alternative. This could be a locking out that could be quite disruptive.

i think the problem is most websites would follow google and maybe those webpages will only work on chromiums

I think it would be risky, companies will roll it out think people who are on chromium will move to chrome, or their browsers will support this. If people move to Firefox, companies know that a percentage of their users will be prevented from using this, and it could cost their marketshare/revenue. Google cannot be trusted to dictate web standards any more, and Mozilla is the best placed to break that hegemony.

Web dev here. It enforces the original markup and code from a server to be the markup and code that the browser interprets and executes, preventing any post-loading modifications.

That sounds a bit dry, but the implications are huge. It means:

• ad blockers won't work (the main reason for Google's ploy)
• many, if not most, other browser extensions won't work (eg.: accessibility, theming, anti-malware)
• people are going to start running into a lot of scam ads that ad blockers would otherwise prevent
• malicious websites will be able to operate with impunity since you cannot run security extensions to prevent them
• web developers are going to be crippled for lack of debugging ability

These are just a few things off the top of my head. There are endless and very dangerous implications to WEI. This is very, very bad for the web and antithesis of how it's supposed to be.

TBL is probably experiencing a sudden disturbance in the force.

The internet is getting fucked by Google.

Google (or Google employees) came up with a “trust attestation standard” that would supposedly let sites know if a user was a human or not, but because the attestation required a third party and some trust mechanism locally, it would further enclose the Web around Google

When you want to access a website, the server will ask your browser "Is the user's environment good for me to show my website?" and will only provide you the website if your browser agrees. What this essentially means is that ad blocking or any other scripting on your side could make your browser say "No, there's some fuckery going on" and you would no longer be served the page.

It’s like going to a restaurant but you can only order from the pre approved from Google menu that they don’t mind if you have allergies. What they mind it’s what kind of car you use to come to the restaurant.

Google is making a system to verify any given user is running a verified browser on a verified OS on verified hardware (TPM).

The first problem is that only big tech companies will be able to pass any of these verification steps. Say goodbye to your modifiable, community-driven, open source OS or browser.

The second problem is that the only software they choose to verify well be increasingly restricted. Say goodbye to your ad-blocker, because Google makes the browser and they're the one selling the ads.

You can still an unverified browser, I suppose, but websites decide whether to let you in or not. And Google will reduce their ad revenue if they don't "verify" their users.

Most countries have anti-monopoly agencies. Whether they are of a mind to take action or not is another question entirely. Sometimes they are absolutely toothless. I miss the days when they used to do stuff like when MS was prevented from forcing browser/search engine (I cannot remember which) by default etc.

We absolutely should try to lobby as much as we can to nudge them to act, but I don't think we can rely on government agencies alone. MS recent acquisition shows that agencies are either not motivated, or not competent enough to oppose tech giants.