Good. Finally something those assholes didn't somehow get people to believe was democrat's fault
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Young American here, I blame SCOTUS, GOP, and social media tbh.
"The GOP is to blame for student debt, and young voters know it" would be a less biased headline
As they should
Yep. Congress gave the U.S. Secretary of Education the right to do it. But the terrorist party and their illegitimate puppets in SCOTUS decided that, no, a Constitutional law passed by Congress was not valid because... reasons. Can't let those "libs" ever enact something that is popular, fair, legal, and beneficial...
So yes, everyone should blame SCOTUS and the GOP because they are solely responsible for putting us all in this horrible position.
Low education take... Learn how the constiution works and spending power.
Also... If your beloved party wanted to do this... Why did they not do so when they controlled both house and presidency?
Asking for a friend.
Bullshit, you don't have any friends.
I like how you assume that I’m a proponent of another right-wing political party solely because I pointed out that a different one is a violent, fascist, criminal, terrorist organization.
I only see you trying to hold accountable the "right-wingers"
do you job equitably and nobody would complain...
Yeah. What asshole is going to blame someone else?
I blame the Democrats in Congress for not passing a bill to forgive debt through the Senate.
The Biden executive order was blatantly unconstitutional, conservative SCOTUS super majority or not. Congress needs to get off their ass. Once they pass it in the Senate we can blame the House GOP until it lands on Biden’s desk.
Please explain how the Secretary of Education using powers explicitly granted by an act passed by Congress is unconstitutional. Or is that just a word you like to use to mean "something I don't agree with and have been told to hate"?
Because the powers were never granted by the congressional act…
Do you also blame Santa Claus for not hiding Easter Eggs?
Do you know what holding your politician accountable means?
Republicans get what they ask... what do you get for your vote?
You sound like a republican over here just trying to demoralize this reality. Let's see how 2024 goes. I'm sure the gop is gonna do reallllly well with their continued bullshit. /s
Ribbit
The Trump admin used the Heroes Act (Passed by George W) to pause student loan interest due to the pandemic. But as soon as the Dems used the exact same Heroes Act to forgive student loans, the GOP SCOTUS said no can do fella.
Also, standing rules were just ignored because of ~~the law~~ they don't like Biden.
The gop has been the hypocritical party of no for decades now. It's okay when they do something but as soon as a dem tries to do the same thing they have an issue with it.
These entitled suckers borrowed more money than they were able to pay back. All for the post education scam. A lot of them went in and got useless degrees to pursue passion projects instead of getting into lucrative careers. As a working class worker I dissent the idea that my tax dollars should pay for people who bit off more than they can chew.
because… reasons. Can’t let those “libs” ever enact something that is popular, fair, legal, and
Did you accept any government assistance during covid? Do you have kids?
I worked overtime hours all through COVID. The stimulus money that landed I had no control over. Socialist move made by Trump.
Did you donate it then?
I donated 100 bucks to a single mother who was struggling during the Pandemic. I donated some of it to the World Wildlife Fund to sponsor an animal. I saved the rest for a homestead I am planning on planting soon.
That is not important though. It's my money. I paid for it. My taxes went into the pot. I have an entitlement to the stimulus money. No I do not agree with the stimulus at face value. But the government did ruin ppls lives and forcibly shut down small businesses entrepreneurs while giving big box store conglomerations immunity. It was fucked up. So the stimulus is somewhat justified.
The stimulus and college dorks who took out a loan willingly are not the same.
I added money to that pot you speak of. I got nothing back. And you know what, I hope you enjoy it. Now stop being a dick about others getting a hand up.
What a dumb take. Our labor force demands specialization and training through upper education. From early age all kids are being told to go to college. Every other country helps build a skilled labor force, but in the US it's a luxury reserved for those who can afford it. This is something we all benefit from (doctors, architects, nurses). Yet here you are, pushing down on those who seek out this path.
Nah. I simply don't care for paying for other's college. These people who want me to pay their bills are not the cream of the crop. They're not doctors, lawyers, or any specialized skilled labor.
Nobody is entitled to money. You make a deal and money is exchanged. It's that simple. In this case someone who borrowed more than they could pay back now wants others who never even went to college to work off their debts.
It's not fair to those without skin in the game.
There's no shortage of ppl who graduate college. Maybe the art degree, or lesbian dance theory wasn't a good financial decision.
That's a very naive outlook and I see you drank the Kool aid. Every day, you yourself benefit from things you did not pay for. Youll screech "sure I do! Muh taxes" but that is so far from the truth. The moment you said "lesbian dance theory" it's clear your opinion was formed for you by others and you're not really basing this on much personal evaluation.
Yeah I drank the Kool aid alright. I did not go to College. I worked working class jobs all my life. Saved my money, paid off all my loans, and now am shopping for 10 acres of Oklahoma land for a homestead where I'll start farming part time while holding down a full time job. I'll sell sheep wool.
I'm not some whiny bitch who wants the government to be a welfare fairy because they can't pay back a loan. I've bought cars. I've paid off long term investments pal.
The fruit of my labor came from calloused hands and work.
Did you know that term drinking the Kool aid came from the Jim Jones socialist cult right? LoL you can't make this stuff up.
You drank the Kool aid because you still firmly believe you don't stand on the shoulders of those who came before you and developed everything you use on a daily basis: the roads you drive on, the food you eat, etc. Unless you built your own internet and grew everything you eat, you're just one of us and your opinion of rugged individualism go get it was formed for you by others as much as you pretend to take license for all your great achievements. You have no original thoughts.
Also, I don't care for socialism, Im a capitalist. The expression is just that, an expression. Fucks sake Have an original thought besides "socialism bad amirite".
You think my beverage of choice is Kool Aid because you equate my rugged individualism and hatred of being forced to pay for shit I personally don't use for not endorsing collectivism for things I do actually use and am entitled to.
I will never go to school. Can't afford it. Don't have the brain power. It's just a waste of my hard earned money.
I'm entitled to use the roads because the state takes taxes out of my check to maintain them. I voluntarily pay lottery tickets that also go towards roads and education. None of that would mean anything if I didn't pay for gas, insurance, tags, through work.
You see.. All that infrastructure means jack all if I'm some derelict on welfare not using it. If I just smoked weed all day, gamed, and feasted on snacks all that collectivist infrastructure doesn't benefit me at all.
It's only because of my rugged individualism and work ethic that I get to use what's there. The fridge cannot keep my koolaid under the room temperature if I cannot pay the electric. The electric can't be paid unless I work. Everything in life relies on my own self determination.
Didn't I anticipate the "I pay my taxes argument" a few posts back? All the taxes you will ever pay will not account for a percentage of a fraction of the things you benefit from on a daily basis. You give yourself so much credit without realizing how much you enjoy the comforts of modern society: internet, cell phones, modern medicine. All these things were possible because someone went to get specialized learning. Not everyone has to go to university, but we all benefit when our society grows and develops new technologies. Go live in Somalia and make your own internet and antibiotics.
Once again you are wrong.
I don't equate privately acquired loans through mutual agreement between two parties with public infrastructure paid for by collectivism.
I'm not taking credit for fixing the roads. If I got hired by a construction crew to pave the roads maybe I could? LoL
Absolute individualism and absolute collectivism cannot exist in their own separate worlds. Both are nessesary.
As for the college loans. People's private education funded through private means is no consequence to me. I should not have to pay for it. Bottom line.
Now I see why we're talking past each other.
For whatever reason you're very tied up in the legal argument, which of course no one is disputing right now. I'm talking strictly about the moral argument for supporting higher education, not the current legal framework under which it operates in the united states. The legal framework is downstream from our ethics, and what I'm trying to get to you is that a modern society requires specialization that is not tied to remuneration. Teachers get paid shit in this country, but we still need children to be educated (even if you don't have kids, you still benefit from kids going to school because they help build the things you use every day). For whatever reason you keep ignoring (I think we know why) that you benefit EVERY DAY from the improvements modern society gives you, and that benefit comes from an educated class which unfortunately in the US is funded through private loans.
Holy shit. I wish I was privileged enough to call 40 - 50 k shit pay with pension, longevity, and medical benefits.
That aside though politics is merely a proxy for one's moral standing. Which is why objective facts never sway anyone to a political opinion. Morale arguments might unless someone's morality is firmly established.
I see your argument is that I benefit from ppl going to school. And to that I counter with this. Typically educated ppl in the higher echelons of society hate the class under them. Teachers are more dispositioned to liberalism which makes them hate uneducated rightoids like me. The worst venom I've ever had spit in my direction came from shitlibs higher educated during the pandemic. How about Cops? They are higher educated and yet provide the worst of the worst service on society. Grinding down minority communities based on the collective good of suburban white educated society beating down on the ghettos and urbanite population.
Doctors went full retard during the pandemic introducing medical tyranny. Not even allowing family members or a priest in the rooms to comfort dying ppl. My own doctor was condensending because I would not jab with expiremental Trump vax medicine.
So.. why would I care what the upper echelon of society thinks about me? Why would I want to fund their education? Why should I consider it a moral choice?
These very same ppl will be assholes and want to rule over minorities through collectivist guilds like the blue line brotherhood, medical tyranny (take meds or lose your fuckin job) or even preach in public school classrooms the gospel of anti Americanism and anti white-ism.
Or they'll be some shit lib or neo conservative warhawk asshole who destroys the USA.
You say I benefit from higher education even though I straight up fuckin don't lmmfao! Higher education didn't get me out of the ghetto and into a rual homestead. Working overtime in the working class did. Grueling 70 to 120 hour weeks in security did. Sometimes working two jobs did.
People can fund their own education. I personally don't benefit from having to pay for ppls education.
Yeah sure the infrastructure and everything bla blah. I still don't see why I should incorporate giving a benefit to a class of ppl who hate rual loyal to the tinfoil uneducated types like me anyway. They should pay their way through life. I had to.
So many bizzarre tangents. You're really not able to follow along because so many talkint points need to be crammed in there (trump jab, medical tyranny, class segregation). I see you got the full script ready to go. Anyway, here you are using: cell phones, the internet, satellites, modern vehicles, groceries and everything else modern society has to offer. Perhaps Somalia is more your cup of tea: You don't get to use any of the benefits we develop through education but then you can shut the fuck up about big bad government stealing your taxes.
Yet it all has no bearing. It's a weak attempt to shame someone for believing ppl need to pay their own debts. People have paid their own education and all that infrastructure was made. How does your entitled tangent make any sense? All that infrastructure will continue to exist without my tax dollars funding post education. Post education is made by private individuals with private institutions. It has nothing to do with me whatsoever.
We are talking past each other. I'm asking you, from one human being to another, to think beyond merely "people should pay their debts".
No one disagrees with that statement. I don't disagree with that statement.
The **REAL **question I'm asking: Is it fair to saddle future generations with these amounts of debt?
Most countries in the developed part of the world have decided that upper education provides a net benefit to society, so they strengthen it. Germany, UK, France, etc all agree that people that receive specialization and can conduct research provide a net benefit to everyone else in that society, even the ones that DON'T participate directly.
The US on the other hand seems to be tying higher education to remuneration. I strongly believe we still need teachers, nurses, historians, social workers -even though those jobs don't always pay well. I want America to have a cutting edge on research and development because I think it's a great nation, and I don't want higher education to be reserved exclusively for the wealthy, because it would limit our resource pool. I'd prefer if someone from a lower income didn't have to debate whether college was right for them because we could be missing out on the next breakthrough in cancer, space research or whatever you think doesn't impact you directly. I'm not saying EVERYONE should go to college, but we should not be putting up barriers either. Please, from one human to another: pause and consider the ramifications beyond "people should pay their debts".
You're right, some of these innovations could still happen without the support we could offer to upper education, but I believe we can do better. We don't have to limit ourselves. We're a great nation and I think everyone should have a fair shot at developing the next cancer breakthrough, or flying car or whatever.
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