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[-] teft@lemmy.world 206 points 11 months ago

What?! The people who ban books are a threat to free speech?

[-] Kerred@lemmy.world 60 points 11 months ago

"I don't think freedom is simply doing what you want. I believe freedom is simply being able to love without fear"

That always stick with me and makes me wonder what heavy conservatives think of that line

[-] justhach@lemmy.world 43 points 11 months ago

See, the thing is that they don't see themselves as living in fear. In their minds, they're fighting a righteous battle in the name of good and decency.

They're not scared, they're just looking for a fight anywhere and everywhere.

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[-] Poob@lemmy.ca 124 points 11 months ago
[-] Saneless@lemmy.world 44 points 11 months ago

I'm glad this was in politics. Because it's certainly not news

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[-] BuckRowdy@lemmy.world 109 points 11 months ago

What they want is freedom to control reality. What Republicans say, every day is not real, they don't live in reality. What they want is not free speech, they have that more than ever. What they want is to dictate reality to the rest of us.

All conservative are bad, acab as it were.

[-] ggBarabajagal@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago

I think what they want is as many big-money donors as they can get, for which they require as many reliable Republican votes as they can get, for which they require Trump, for which they are required to give prima facia credence to whatever misinformation Trump is pushing on any given day.

It didn't always used to be like this, but that was a long time ago.

Trump didn't create his voter base -- he stole it, from Rush Limbaugh, Bill Reilly, Glen Beck, Alex Jones, and all those other millionaires who spent decades feeding working-class conservatives daily servings hate for huge profit.

And in all of history, who has been the conservative pundits' all-time number-one biggest and best favorite target for this hate? It has to be Barack Obama. (Our first Black president. Coincidence?)

Trump didn't create his voter base, but he has owned it outright for going on a decade now, starting way back with his entirely bogus claims against President Obama's citizenship. It didn't matter that the claims were bogus -- all that mattered is that they were against Obama, in an outright demeaning (and overtly racist) way. Dittoheads and O'Reilly fans ate that shit up.

Now here we are, eight or nine years later, and Trump still owns it. Only now, instead of feeding that voter base, and growing it with strongman posturing and punitive policy, he's using it exclusively to try to save his own skin. And at this point, the only way Trump saves himself is in an alternate reality, with alternate facts.

Now Trump lies to save himself, and half of congress has to play along or risk losing their own reelections. Thanks Obama.

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[-] Tedrow@lemmy.world 98 points 11 months ago

Always has been. They're just reaching as far as they can now.

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[-] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.ml 52 points 11 months ago

I've found a pretty effective argument when dealing with right wingers at this point. I simply say that only one side is banning books and it's theirs, and I stick only to that. It's indefensible. They can try to twist it, say it's just protecting kids, and I will continue to say "Only the republicans are banning books". It's the end of discussion. Its shoving in their face that there is a clear line in the sand that republicans have crossed, and there is nothing they can say that would change that.

[-] Tigbitties@kbin.social 24 points 11 months ago

Fucking guns kill a lot more kids than books .

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[-] gelcue69@hoboninjachicken.com 46 points 11 months ago

Right wing hypocrisy is a feature, not a bug. At the end of the day it's just a form of entitlement.

[-] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 11 months ago

Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.

Jean-Paul Sartre

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[-] evilthecat13@lemmy.world 41 points 11 months ago

This just in: the sky is blue and grass is green.

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[-] gridleaf@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago

We have confirmation of bears shitting in the woods.

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[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 39 points 11 months ago

They'll ban books and then whine that they're being oppressed when people point out that they're scared of ideas.

[-] doppelgangmember@lemmy.world 30 points 11 months ago

Are the Antifa in the room as we speak?

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[-] ahriboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 11 months ago

Always have been. The term has been already tainted with bigotry and violence.

[-] dx1@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

In the U.S., yes, at this moment the major threats to free speech are coming from the so-called "right". Forbidding teaching black history, LGBT issues, etc. A few years ago, lest we forget, it was Obama cracking down on the OWS protests and trying to prosecute Julian Assange and Chelsea (formerly Bradley) Manning. Before that it was the GOP again pushing the PATRIOT Act and trying to ban Grand Theft Auto. They did it for a long time with the Red Scare. That of course, basically kicked off in response to Stalin, who was doing his own purges of opponents and censorship. Pre-war, it was Hitler, Mussolini and Franco worst of all, but was happening in the U.S. too. That all goes back even further to the Comstock laws, the Alien and Sedition Acts, you name it. There isn't some magical quality about the directions "left" and "right" by which bad people in power in government under that label don't want to silence their opponents. There is a tendency for what we call "the right" - this kind of more-or-less fascist, religious based, emotionally charged, etc. set of ideologies - to respond more eagerly to calls to silence or brutalize opponents, because they are by and large a good bit dumber at the end of the day.

[-] eochaid@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago
[-] LoyalOrange503@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago

Always has been though??

[-] ATQ@lemm.ee 22 points 11 months ago

Something, something, fuck their feelings?

[-] OldFartPhil@lemm.ee 22 points 11 months ago

Every conservative accusation is a confession.

[-] Seris_@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago

Free speech for me but not for thee!

[-] mayo@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago

Take note that this is an engaging title. I'd like to see more political science discussion in this community. These opinion pieces are part not a good part of the internet. They're made for sharing and being consumed on social media.

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[-] genoxidedev1@kbin.social 20 points 11 months ago

Typical bothsideism in the comments of that site as per usual. Would love to see those bothsiders on an article stating the opposite of this one.

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[-] Landmammals@lemmynsfw.com 20 points 11 months ago
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[-] Selmafudd@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago

Always has been

[-] downpunxx@kbin.social 15 points 11 months ago

always. every time. this is not surprising to anyone . people who act like this is untrue, or surprising, make me sick to my stomach.

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