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https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.
https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.
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[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 59 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (9 children)

The Brazilian goverment wants to set up a “national WhatsApp” The project comes in the midst of a conflict between the Supreme Court and the social network X

The Brazilian Agency for Industrial Development (ABDI) is about to launch a tender to hire a new cell phone messaging service. The agency's aim is to develop its own model for internal communication. According to information in Veja magazine, this is a pilot project, but it could be expanded to other federal agencies in the future.

The system will be similar to WhatsApp, but the president of ABDI, Ricardo Cappelli, has already made it clear that it is not a question of “banning” the messaging app or any other, as it will not extend to ordinary users. "What we will do is protect the information of our agency, corporate communication. Does anyone think that the German or French government communicates via WhatsApp? We don't want to ban anyone, just protect our sovereignty,” Cappelli said.

According to Capelli, there is no “paranoia or conspiracy theory”, but rather a guarantee of the security of communications, since there have already been several cases of messages being breached. He mentioned that federal police officers and members of the Brazilian Intelligence Agency (Abin) use foreign platforms to communicate, but that he considers it a risk. So far, at least ten Brazilian companies have shown interest in developing the new messaging platform.

Ricardo Cappelli, former member of the Communist Party of Brazil and the secretary that led the police forces against the Coup Attempt in 2023, he currently is the president of the Brazilian Industrial Development Agency. He was appointed to the post by President Lula on February 2 for a four-year term, taking office on February 22.

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[–] miz@hexbear.net 59 points 2 months ago

Mossad financier arrested by Turkish police in Istanbul | The Cradle

Turkish security officials announced on 3 September the arrest of Liridon Rexhepi, a Kosovan national identified by the Turkish National Intelligence Organization (MIT) as the head of Mossad’s financial network in Turkiye.

Citing security sources, Turkish media revealed Rexhepi “was transferring money to Mossad’s field agents in Turkiye who filmed Mossad targets with drones, led psychological operations against Palestinian politicians, and gathered intelligence about the Syrian field.”

[–] PosadistInevitablity@hexbear.net 59 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Latest school shooter was named “Colt Gray”.

Reality has got to be a joke when school shooters start having names like a Gundam villain who dies after one episode.

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[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 58 points 2 months ago

Hezbollah targets Israeli settlements with barrages of rockets

The Hezbollah resistance movement has fired heavy barrages of rockets toward settlements in the northern part of the occupied Palestinian territories in retaliation for Israel’s deadly attacks on Lebanon.

In statements released on Sunday, Hezbollah said that it has twice targeted the settlement of Kiryat Shmona with Falaq rockets.

The resistance group also noted that it had fired Katyusha rockets toward the Shamir settlement.

Israeli media reported there were no injuries in the Hezbollah strikes, however, they said, some rockets had impacted their targets and caused damage.

Hezbollah said that it had conducted the attacks in support of “steadfast Palestinian people in the Gaza Strip and in support of their brave and honorable resistance” against Israel.

The raids, it added, came in response to the enemy’s attacks on Lebanon’s “southern villages and safe homes, especially the horrific massacre in the town of Froun.”

On Saturday, an Israel airstrike killed three Lebanese emergency workers and injured two others as they tried to contain a fire in Froun.

[–] miz@hexbear.net 58 points 2 months ago

Tim Walz has a chance to do something bold | Drop Site News

During the week of the DNC we reported on the unusual case of a wrongful conviction in northern Minnesota that the state’s attorney general, Keith Ellison, was attempting to make right in the face of intransigence from the local prosecutor and sheriff. What makes it unusual is that the state’s governor, Tim Walz, does not have the unilateral ability to pardon the wrongfully convicted Native American man, but he can step in and take the case away from the local prosecutor and give it to AG Ellison. With that one, small bureaucratic move, Walz can give Ellison the chance to set him free.

[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 58 points 2 months ago
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[–] Tervell@hexbear.net 57 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (13 children)

https://x.com/ArmchairW/status/1831176695589618060

Could [the Europeans] reopen the Bab al-Mandeb without US assistance?

After all, right now the Western mission in the Bab al-Mandeb is run by the EU as EUNAVFOR Aspides, so they're already in charge of the area of operations. Reopening the straits will require ground troops to land and occupy enough currently Houthi-held territory to prevent drone and missile launches at maritime traffic transiting the strait. Can the EU muster the force? Power projection requires amphibious assault ships and aircraft carriers. Four European navies operate these capital ships: the UK, France, Italy and Spain. Between them they have four aircraft carriers worth the name (Cavour, Charles de Gaulle, Queen Elizabeth, and Prince of Wales) and eight amphibious assault ships of note (Giuseppe Garibaldi, Juan Carlos I, Galicia, Castilla, Mistral, Tonnere, Dixmude, Albion, and Bulwark). The Italians additionally operate three very small amphibs of the San Giorgio-class. Many of these ships are in some kind of reduced readiness or maintenance status. Realistically the European Union could deploy on a "surge" basis two carriers (with a weaker combined air wing than a single USN carrier) and a single amphibious group comparable to a USN Amphibious Ready Group. This sealift capability would support landing a brigade-size element in Yemen.

The Europeans also maintain a sizable number of airborne formations (Britain, France, Germany, Italy, and Spain all have brigade-plus or -minus elements standing and aren't faced with fighting Russia on short notice), and can field about 100 heavy transport aircraft, mostly A400s. Based on RAND corporation analysis (link in the first post) it would take approximately 105 C-17 sorties to deliver one US infantry brigade with appropriate enablers for a high-end battle. Yemen will be a high-end battle. Although an A400 can jump about the same number of paratroopers as a C-17, it can carry only about half the cargo. Ergo, something like 150 A400 sorties would be required to deliver one brigade, not to mention ongoing sustainment requirements. As it's doubtful more than 30 or so aircraft would be (or even could be, I'm not going to try to analyze ramp space in Djibouti) committed to the operation, the EU task force could realistically only jump a single fully-equipped brigade into Yemen alongside the amphibious landing.

Barring military access from Saudi Arabia or Oman, these two European brigades are going to have to hit the dirt and seize a seaport (perhaps the city of Al Hudaydah, shown) to allow conventional shipping to come in and "administratively" deliver what's going to be a pretty meager follow-on force. That entails a city fight. Even with a seized airport and light reinforcements beyond the initial brigade flowing in by air (alongside much of their logistical requirements!), that's a tall order - particularly given the Houthis have real anti-access/area-denial capabilities and a reasonably competent army. Two or three European brigades in the Middle East, with a mission to seize a major urban area, relying on sketchy air support and tenuous supply lines, can get into a lot of trouble in 2024. Al Hudaydah, for instance, is a Houthi stronghold with a population of close to three-quarters of a million. A smarter course of action may be to enter in non-Houthi controlled eastern Yemen, establish logistics and attack from the east - but it'll be much slower to open the straits and oh, by the way, will require those aforementioned logistics to travel around the Horn of Africa because the Bab al-Mandeb will remain closed in the interim. So the indirect approach is fraught with its own, very significant, issues.

Which brings me to the crux of the problem - Yemen is a big country. It's somewhat larger than Iraq and has about 3/4 the population. The vast majority of that population lives in areas controlled by the Houthis. And, most importantly, the Houthis are very competent fighters. Ergo, even a minimal operation to reopen the Bab al-Mandeb should be expected to be something more on the scale of the 2003 invasion of Iraq than the sort of African bandit-chasing expedition we've seen European forces actually perform in recent memory. And the EU doesn't remotely have the capability to deploy and sustain forces at that level. The force that overthrew Saddam Hussein in 2003 was 200,000-strong - an order of magnitude or more larger than what I've described above.

So to answer my starting question: No. Not a chance. In fact it would be a significant operation even for the United States - certainly not something that could be done quickly, easily, or with the commitment of minimal forces.

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[–] wtypstanaccount04@hexbear.net 57 points 2 months ago

Laughing my ass off at the fact that Bolsanaro is cursed to have the most disgusting ailments over and over again and be in hospital constantly. Didn't he have to shit out of his nose for a little while?

[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 56 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (6 children)

Hey comrades, is there any resource I can dig into to better understand the current situation in Cuba? To my uninformed knowledge, the situation appears to be rather bleak, with rising anti-government sentiment due to increased liberal reforms and economic struggles compounded by COVID and the trade embargo.

With the application to join BRICS, this should see increased trade, and tourism especially, which may pay off.

Are there any Cubans here that can offer better explanations for what I am hearing, or provide more accurate sources not infected by western bias? I support Cuba and the Revolution, of course, I just want to know more about the current situation.

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[–] miz@hexbear.net 56 points 2 months ago (14 children)

Drop Site News posting Matt "cops are working class" Taibbi

fuck my life

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[–] notceps@hexbear.net 56 points 2 months ago (4 children)

It seems like it actually might be over for Ukraine as a ton of politicians are starting to jump ship most prominent one is the Foreign Minister Kuleba.

Also

"“Our position is clear. We respond as harshly as possible to any attempts to undermine the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine and we protect national interests by all available means, including on the diplomatic front,” Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba emphasized.

In 2016, Ukraine closed its embassy in Damascus in connection with the crimes of the Bashar al-Assad regime against the Syrian people and ordered the closing of the Syrian Embassy in Ukraine in 2018"

who-must-go

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[–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 56 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

"hello my username is adjective_noun#### and i'm posting something unhinged that completely happened on reddit.com"

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[–] jackmarxist@hexbear.net 56 points 2 months ago (3 children)
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[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 55 points 2 months ago (2 children)

France seems like it might be headed towards a deadlock or even a constitutional crisis, with Macron and his ever-diminishing mandate trying to indefinitely postpone naming any ministers from LFI for what looks like grudge-based reasoning.

The NFP achieved a disproportionate victory, largely by tactical voting, where they pulled ahead of the RN to successfully stave off the fascists. It's pretty clear to everyone that without a major shift or series of political developments, they would struggle to pull this off again in the face of increasing turnout from the FN/RN base every election.

Maybe a year or so ago, someone posted an article/analysis piece about how instead of earnestly opposing the far-right, Macron uses the threat of it alternatingly as a cudgel and a shield, to maintain power.

Does Macron seem to have the relative weakness of the left-wing coalition as a key piece of his political strategy over the past month? Is he paving the way for the fascists to easily win next go-around, just to keep his ~~cult of personality~~ self-made party going for a few more years?

I'd really like to hear from anyone who has a better grasp of the situation than I do. (I don't peruse the news mega very often.)

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[–] manuallybreathing@lemmy.ml 55 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Hey comrades, I've just spent the better part of my day writing a few 100 words about pubic housing where I live. I know this isn't the exciting indepth war analysis we get here, but I don't really know what else to do with it. (post it on reddit? ew) It's good practice I guess. Someone tell me if this aint the place.

PUBLIC HOUSING IN SO-CALLED AUSTRALIA

How good is renting? Does it sound familiar? It’s a one liner from what feels like another life. While many can still hear Scumo’s catchphrase echoing in the dark recesses of our minds, at this point in the show, he should have gift wrapped it and handed it to the ALP on his way out the door. How good is god? Ay, Scottie!

That's right folks, the Australian Labor Party (ALP) have finally achieved their dream. They’ve fully embraced the neoliberal policies any Red Tory party should strive for. It’s been a long time coming, and what can we say apart from: Thatcher is dead, it will happen to you.

For the second week running, we’re inundated with reports of Liberal National Party (LNP / Blue Tories) throwing out statements that make them seem almost human. Last week they were vocally supporting a more inclusive census, leaving the ALP chasing their tail, before the gallant Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese passed the buck to the Australian Bureau of Statistics. - Was it a handball? Albo’s a man's man, let's do sports analogies. - The crowd awaits with baited breath to see which ALP backbencher will be sacrificed for crossing party lines this time!

Meanwhile, Jacinta Allan’s Victorian ALP, who like their federal counterparts, are staunchly committed to supporting the Israeli (sic) state’s genocidal policies in Gaza, are predictably taking a more polite approach in their own backyard. In a move that is strikingly similar to those announced by the previous New South Wales LNP’s (now revised, and Chris Minns ALP approved) “Waterloo Estate redevelopment plan”, Public Housing estates across the country will soon be demolished and sold off to profit driven developers.

The Waterloo Estate was once considered such an achievement upon completion in 1977, Queen Elizabeth II attended the opening ceremony. Similarly aged buildings in and around Sydney’s CBD - such as the famed MLC Centre, or the now luxury ex-state-owned Sirius Apartments - have mysteriously escaped demolition, instead receiving complete refurbishments amounting to hundreds of millions. Heritage Laws in place to “protect historic significance” be damned.

Now not only will these brutal “redevelopments” displace 1,000s of people from what should be rent controlled homes, they will also transfer all assets and authority over to the “malevolent” not-for-profit sector. Though be not afraid! At the National Press Club on Wednesday 3rd September, Housing Supply and Affordability Council chair, Susan Lloyd-Hurwitz talked up the federal governments build-to-rent scheme. You can now not only look forward to the destruction of 1,000s of homes, you may also have your heart warmed that the ALP will be giving these building conglomerates tax breaks to take those pesky public assets out of our hands!

The same federal government who had a spare $60million to give the ADF for recruitment advertising, and who seek to destroy the key safeguard for workers safety in the building industry - the CFMEU - are also slashing the red tape, and washing their hands of the whole ordeal.

Federal LNP members have come forward to denounce the bill which “seeks to entrench tax advantage for institutional investors, in a thinly veiled attempt to corporatise the Australian housing market”. However, considering the tried and true tradition of locking Australian’s into home ownership, turning every family into “little capitalists”, in order to smash the labour movement, don’t be surprised when the LNP calls to scrap subsidised rentals all together.

hey it's not even that long, I gave up jamming the hyperlinks back in, they're all just msm citations anyway, who cares?

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 55 points 2 months ago (3 children)

testosteroneI spent SO MUCH TIME AND EFFORT AND MONEY dealing with my acne for 15+ years. I learned so much about skin and the immune system and p. acnes bacteria, about the three different kinds of moisturizers (humectants, occlusives, and emollients) and about benzoyl peroxide and salacytic acid and B vitamins and both chemical and abrasive exfoliants, about UV radiation and environmental irritants, about carbohydrates and their impact on inflammation, crafted the perfect routine of washing twice daily with gentle cleanser and slugging up with all my various cosmetic tinctures, and on and on it goes.

And I had terrible acne no matter what I did.

I started blocking this shitty hormone and now I can pass out in full makeup after a night of drinking and won't wake up with a single pimple. It's fucking bullshit. All that effort! All that time! All that money! What the fuck? What the fuck?!

Anyway, how's everyone's week been?

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[–] PosadistInevitablity@hexbear.net 55 points 2 months ago (9 children)

The new strategy of just charging parents of school shooters with murder is just pathetic.

Can’t stop these tragedies in any effective way. Doing good things is impossible. Sacrifice a few more people on the altar of the justice system and call it a day instead.

[–] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 54 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

If this kid went to a gun store and someone sold him a gun, they would be arrested for selling a minor a gun. I don't see why it should be any different for the parents giving a minor a gun.

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[–] bbnh69420@hexbear.net 55 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I’m a fiend for the clout, so I’m reposting my reaction to isntreal

Only democracy in the Middle East making a strike illegal lmfao

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[–] Yllych@hexbear.net 55 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Michael Roberts- Germany: the end of EU hegemony?

What all this shows is that even German capitalism, the most successful advanced capitalist economy in Europe, cannot escape the divisive forces of the Long Depression. But it is also shows that the German coalition government’s slavish following of the interests of US imperialism in the name of ‘Western democracy’ over Ukraine and Israel is destroying the hegemony of German capital and the living standards of its poorest citizens. No wonder the voices of nationalism and reaction are gaining traction.

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[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 55 points 2 months ago

Really fucking funny seeing Milei say something bad about Lula da Silva, when literally weeks ago he was begging Lula for gas, because no one wants to trade with Argentina because they know Milei won't pay them.

[–] notceps@hexbear.net 54 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (8 children)

In german news after the AfD won big Scholz has decided to take a page of out a very successful politician, brandon. That's right baby 'Nothing will fundementally change' ole Scholz doesn't think he should stop any of his wildly unpopular policies of being pro-war, pro-genocide, pro-racism, pro-border, no he thinks that if they just stay the course with him as the captain they'll get a mandate for 2025 that they'll be the government without doubt. ("fest damit, dass die SPD und ich 2025 ein so starkes Mandat bekommen, dass wir auch die nächste Regierung anführen werden")

Keep in mind his coalition has been historically unpopular and almost all polls will see SPD just eat massive amounts of shit.

In short Emperor Olaf Scholz has lost the Mandate of the Holy Roman Empire his fall will soon come to pass.

PS: We need some Olaf Scholz emojis because he has just been the worst and it's surprising that there's nothing out there on him.

Like you can't tell me someone can't make an emoji out of his bond villain arc.

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[–] Aru@lemmygrad.ml 54 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (6 children)

Algerian elections: Ballot closing has been delayed to 20:00 instead of 19:00
Turnout rate in 17:00 was 26.46% out of 23.486.061.
updat: 48.06% at 20:00

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[–] companero@hexbear.net 54 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Vodiane has fallen, and with it, Vuhledar will too. Probably within a few weeks.

It shouldn't be underestimated just how significant a development this will be. Russia has been trying and failing to take Vuhledar practically since the war began.

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[–] SoyViking@hexbear.net 54 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Danish Minister Goes to Pacific Concentration Camp For Inspiration

Kaare Dybvad Bek, the head of Denmark's succdem-controlled ministry of foreigners and integration, is travelling to the remote Pacific island of Nauru to seek "inspiration and experience" from Australia's concentration camp for refugees there. So reports Danish government broadcaster DR.

"It is a system that has proven very effective to control who comes to Australia", Dybvad Bek says. To him the concentration camp represents "a form of success" and goes on to say that "It is something many western countries struggle with and they have succeeded in Australia. I want to see how it works in practice".

The Nauru concentration camp was created as an extraterritorial site to allow the Australian state to inflict maximal cruelty on refugees away from Australian soil. Media access to the island is tightly controlled by the regime who has also attempted to deter whistleblowers by criminalising any disclosure about the camp. The camp is notorious for high incidences of sexual abuse and the indefinite detention and lack of hope is driving inmates to alarmingly high rates of self-harm or suicide.

This does not deter the xenophobic minister however, who says that he wants to "see it for himself" before rejecting the model.

The interest in the Nauru concentration camp has been rekindled as Danish plans to set up a similar concentration camp in Rwanda has failed to materialise.

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[–] miz@hexbear.net 54 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

"Israeli" army hit by sudden resignation of ground forces chief | The Cradle

Major General Tamir Yadai, the commander of the "Israeli" army’s ground forces, has decided to resign for “personal reasons,” Hebrew news site Walla reported on 3 September.

Yadai “will resign from his position for personal reasons,” representing “an earthquake in the General Staff,” Walla reported, adding that the move comes after he was being prepared “as a candidate to be the next deputy chief of staff."

Chief of Staff Herzi Halevi was informed that Yadai “intends to resign in the coming weeks once a replacement officer is found.” The report adds that Halevi and "Israel’s" Defense Minister Yoav Gallant have agreed to the request.

[double quotes will be inserted around the name of the temporary entity in all excerpts]

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[–] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 53 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (7 children)

Just learned that the original name for the county seat in Southhampton County, VA, where Nat Turner's rebellion took place, was Jerusalem. The town name was changed Courtland after residents got sick of people in Norfolk calling them "the Arabs from Jerusalem".

I've been thinking about some the parallels between the 10/7 and Nat Turner's rebellion, specifically in the response from Zionists in comparison to the response from US slave owners (and their response to the abolition movement in general). I just got back from touching sand and if I can find the time when I'm not working, I might try to find some juicy quotes from slave owners that sound like they could have come from a Zionist.

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