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[–] GodOfThunder@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

why don't you post this in a us community. I don't give a shit about this.

[–] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

This is a U.S. community. Did you read the description?

[–] KoofNoof@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It’s democrats ranking states based off their policies, so of course the Republican states will all be at the bottom lol.

Headline should be: “Democrats say Republican states are worst states to live in”.

We should be posting political articles that aren’t clickbait echo chamber propaganda. Don’t let this become Reddits /r/politics, which was REALLY /r/democrats

[–] Ryumast3r@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You didn't even read their metrics did you? It's based on crime rates, healthcare, quality of health, etc. Those are pretty objective measures, and ones that republican-controlled states often fight against (see: reluctance to expand medicaid).

[–] MaxVerstappen@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Here's a completely unbiased excerpt about the "worst" state of Texas:

The Lone Star State keeps hacking away at inclusiveness, with laws targeting the LGBTQ+ population, voting rights, and the nation’s strictest abortion ban. Yes, there are enormous economic opportunities in Texas, and it is attracting people from far and wide. But this state also has some Texas-sized issues when it comes to life, health and inclusion. And it is one of the reasons that the state fell out of the overall top five for the first time in the 16-year history of CNBC’s rankings.

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Are you trying to say that laws that impact people's control over their identity are ok?

[–] monz@pawb.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

“Something bad said against Republicans is propaganda” doesn’t sound fascist at all, huh?

[–] MomoTimeToDie@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago

Criticizing blatant propaganda isn't fascism.

[–] teft@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
  1. Texas
  2. Oklahoma
  3. Louisiana
  4. (tie) South Carolina
  5. (tie) Alabama
  6. Missouri
  7. Indiana
  8. Tennessee
  9. Arkansas
  10. Florida
[–] Clown_Tempura@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As someone from West Virginia I'm stunned we didn't make the list. McDowell county is hell on earth. The northern part of the state really does hard carry the rest of it.

[–] SCB@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Economic and health factors in this ranking are severely downplayed in favor of hot social issues.

[–] Ohthereyouare@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I personally agree with this list. But, we have to be pragmatic here. This is what CNBC says they did:

"The study measures quality of life issues including crime, health care, childcare and health care, as well as inclusive policies on discrimination and reproductive rights."

See, the last two skew this study. People in these shit hole states (not all, but at least enough of the voting public) don't want inclusive policies or reproductive rights. So, to them, this metric is backwards. They would argue that living in California or New York was way more terrible because of the brown people and gays.

This isn't exactly a scientific study. It's taking objective data to reach a subjective conclusion. Neat headline though.

Edit: many if them are arguing exactly that in this thread. With a nice dose of racism and misogyny thrown in. Nice. I love when shit comes full circle.

[–] cantstopthesignal@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Reproductive rights is healthcare.

[–] MomoTimeToDie@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago

Abortion isn't a right.

[–] atempuser23@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

So reading through this is a bit surprising. I hadn't been paying as much attention to some of these state based issues. It looks like the argument of the article is that despite strong historic economic numbers some of the recent steps taken by states have created challenges for businesses.

It seems that the knock down effect of reproductive health laws in a restriction in the number of practicing doctors per state. So it is not exactly the law that is the issue, but the fact that the ratio of doctors to patients is going in an adverse direction. The article is arguing that the extent is enough to create challenges for citizens in Texas. That seems like a sound premise, basically its harder to get and see a doctor because fewer doctors are moving to Texas compared to the growing population.

It seems that the states that were less of economic powerhouses to begin with could have negative effects with less strict laws since they didn't start from as strong a position.

The rest of it seems to be based on how accessible child care and health insurance are. If you want families and not just labor those resources can greatly reduce the need for high wages.

I'd briefly seen the big fails, like the Texas power grid and the bans on investment funds taking climate change into account. There was also that thing where Florida decide it was time to kill Disney.

Not moving the office buildings to Florida was a MUCH bigger deal to Disney that it appeared. The cost of 1-2 billion was going to be offset by MUCH lower cost of living for employees,(less pay as well) favorable taxes an the sale of super valuable real estate in California. It was very likely structured to be a net positive for the company. So I think that this is basically the core of the article. Even what should be on paper good deals are now in questions because of the state policies.

[–] Chunk@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Hey this is pretty level headed and what you're saying makes sense. Please check out lemmy.world/c/moderate_politics we'd love to have you!

[–] OmnislashIsACloudApp@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I gotta say while I'm not happy with Texas decisions and there's a lot of bs there it doesn't seem even as bad as Florida much less Alabama and Mississippi.

[–] dudebro@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Texans are some of the most delusional people on the planet.

The fact they think their state even holds a candle to Florida is laughable.

People live in Texas for one reason: tax breaks.

The only other state worse than Texas is Louisiana. Everyone in the nation agrees except Texans.

[–] Texas_Hangover@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Here here! You are 100% right! I hope people stop moving here in droves, it really does suck.

[–] Hazdaz@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This could be another huge talking point for Democrats, but once again, this great opportunity to ding Republican governance is going to be missed since Democrats are so utterly incompetent to sell their successes and attack their opponents.

The inflation rate has fallen down to 3%, which is one of the lowest in the industrialized world right now. Have there been Democrats all over the news selling that success? No, of course not. Gotta keep those wins well hidden, dontchaknow!

[–] deftdrummer@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

Good, stay the fuck out! Stay in your own shit holes.

[–] MikeOxlong@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I was really hoping this wouldn’t be Reddit /r/politics but it seems like the infestation has begun. Might as well change the community name to Democrats and not politics if it’s going to be the same as Reddit. Otherwise let’s keep “politics” an actual balance of actual discussion and not an echo chamber.

If there’s a problem with my comment to you, you’re the problem. Nothing I said was offensive or bad.

[–] teft@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Reality has a well known liberal bias.

[–] MikeOxlong@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Probably because anyone who had opposing thoughts are shunned as evil without any opportunity for civil discussion, so they vote in silence and don’t speak their opinions.

So what you're saying is more popular opinions are probably more popular with the public... Hmmm.

Also, if you cared about karma on reddit and you care about karma on Lemmy... And both places hate republican policy... Maybe that's a sign that their policies are literal fascist nationalist Christian shit that people don't like. If you feel like your opinion is dragged through the mud everywhere but your dark corners and echo chambers... Maybe it belongs there lol.

What people are experiencing in the lifting of civil discussion because democrats know better now. Republicans don't care about civil discussion and they weaponize hypocrisy like priests weaponize their dicks on choir boys mouths. Lol.

[–] monz@pawb.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How do you suppose we have political conversation without pointing out the flaws relating to the party in charge?

[–] MikeOxlong@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why is it that only one parties flaws are ever discussed and never the other ones?

[–] monz@pawb.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cool way to avoid the question with another question. Very engaging.

This is why people shouldn’t engage with people like you. Don’t act surprised when you’re simply ignored by rational people in the future.

[–] MikeOxlong@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

You know what I said is true.

[–] deftdrummer@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Aww gee, more bashing of the right by the tolerant left. If it weren't for double standards liberals wouldn't have any standards at all.

[–] wagoner@infosec.pub 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So much to unpack here! I'll just note that to be tolerant doesn't preclude criticism of wrongdoing by others.

[–] deftdrummer@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Keep your crime and needle infested streets see if I give a shit. We're headed towards balkanization anyways as it is. I don't give a fuck about you just don't live near me.

[–] wagoner@infosec.pub 1 points 1 year ago

This must be the "tolerant right" I've been hearing so much about.