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[-] cassetti@kbin.social 134 points 11 months ago

I've told this story before, but about a decade ago I had banked enough PTO days that I was able to take off every Wednesday in the summer (with my boss's permission, natch). So I effectively worked no more than two days in a row for four straight months. Off weekends, work monday/tuesday, off Wednesday, then back to work Thursday/Friday.

The first month went about as expected - "yay! Wednesday off!!". But I wasn't expecting to experience what I did by the second month of my experiment: my mental health and attitude towards work had changed. That "Monday blues" you get was gone. Every work day felt like a "Thursday" or a "Friday" to me - because the "weekend" was no more than a day away. The dread of Sunday evenings knowing work was starting the following day disappeared.

By halfway through my experiment, I was happy to go to work because there was stuff I wanted to accomplish and thus was more efficient at my job. Nobody ever complained that I was gone every Wednesday for four months, my work always got finished on time (or ahead of schedule).

But I really was shocked at how my mental health improved by NOT working five days in a row.

I fully support a four day work week and wish everyone has the opportunity to experience what I did.

[-] RinseDrizzle@midwest.social 16 points 11 months ago

Just started a new gig and trying to save up PTO for travel, but damn this is a tempting set up. Last gig working (4) 10-hour days with perpetual Fridays off already felt pretty damn good. Same amount of time physically in the office, but that extra free day felt so much more liberating. Really gives you time to run errands, get into shenanigans, and actually decompress before Monday kicks off.

[-] cassetti@kbin.social 9 points 11 months ago

Yup! That was another thing - since I had Wednesdays off, I scheduled my appointments and errands for that day so I didn't have to run out of the office to get stuff done during the week. It really did make me a more efficient employee.

Alas, that's too progressive for boomers to even think about. They'd rather us work 7 days a week without any breaks!

[-] paddirn@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

I’ve been doing this every year now for the past few years, it’s so freaking nice. I hoard my vacation days til about August-ish, then just take every Wednesday off for the rest of the year, with no particular plans, I just like having a “mid-week weekend”. Sure enough, every week, something usually comes up to fill the time, but instead of having to cram it in over the weekend or try to fit it into the middle of my workday, I can just handle it on my mid-week weekend… and everything is still open. It feels like I’ve added an extra day to the week for just me (pretty much what it is).

I don’t really like taking long week/2week vacations, because it’s that much more depressing coming back into the office after having had a “taste of freedom” for that long. It makes me resentful and it’s hard to get back into the routine.

[-] akai_android@programming.dev 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I had a 4 day-10hr shift working in insurance when I was younger and having sat / sun / wed off was amazing. It's been like 15 yrs since I had that schedule and I miss it. A lot of what you wrote is how I felt.

They moved me off that shift and I quit a few months later. Would love to go back to that schedule. Another good part was being able to do stuff during the week instead of trying to cram appointments in during the weekend or after work.

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[-] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 97 points 11 months ago

Jokes on my employer, I have been effectively working less than 3 days a week in active hours actually doing something productive beyond meetings and forced chit chat for years.

Most employers in my experience care far more about the appearance of working than they do actually working. Once you realize this it is amazing how little actual work you need to do to make them happy.

[-] burntbutterbiscuits@sh.itjust.works 35 points 11 months ago

Almost as if upper management and middle management aren’t actually good leaders. Almost as if everything they do is not only complete bullshit but also actively harms the company by causing inefficiencies directly.

[-] EnderWi99in@kbin.social 18 points 11 months ago

They should get better training then. Most managers and leadership actually get virtually zero genuine management training at all. This is what I teach and it blows my mind people just totally wing a job like that.

[-] saltesc@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

I'm a workforce planning BP and it's hard to implement obvious improvements to the workforce, even with solid data backing you. There is often one or two aithorative figures that are too scared to "gamble" on trialing something as, despite the data, it doesn't sit right with them.

So the turnover rates, costs, and absenteeism stay higher while employee satisfaction, efficient capacity, and revenue stay lower.

[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 11 points 11 months ago

Those are rookie numbers. Gotta get on Peter Gibbons’ level of doing fifteen minutes of real, actual work every week

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[-] lynny@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Yeah, the blue collar workers who have to pick up your slack are very well aware of your useless position. Bragging about it like this is frankly disgusting.

[-] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

hahaha, what blue collar workers do you imagine are picking up the slack from my sysadmin position of managing servers? Trying to white night for a third party like this is frankly pathetic. I'm sure they appreciate your service oh Nobel savior of their pride.

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[-] BrooklynMan@lemmy.ml 49 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

"but if my workers aren't miserable, exhausted and in constant pain, I can't call myself a good capitalist! they must be broken!"

-- the American business owner

[-] Hextic@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

Makes us more docile doesn't it?

That's why It won't happen and any attempt will be propagandized away (The lazy liberal woke work week).

[-] BrooklynMan@lemmy.ml 8 points 11 months ago

Makes us more docile doesn’t it?

you can tell by all of the labor strikes!

[-] MoreCoffee@sh.itjust.works 37 points 11 months ago

This would be amazing, which is why it'll never happen in the US.

[-] Cribbitz@midwest.social 36 points 11 months ago

I run a company in the U.S. I have about 50 employees, and I’m going to do it for our team. I believe it’s going to give us a competitive advantage, and by demonstrating that my hope is that more organizations will follow suit. I don’t expect it to become law, but I’m not giving in to despair either. If you want change, make change unavoidable.

[-] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

Honestly if I saw a job description that said the company has a 4-day workweek it would definitely stand out. Hopefully your employees will see that you genuinely care about them, which is such a rare thing it seems.

[-] Candelestine@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

Not legally maybe, but its absolutely the kind of thing tech companies will notice and start to take advantage of. They can hire more staff if needed, no big deal.

[-] Underwear@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

They will start offering 4 day work weeks and reduce salaries accordingly.

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[-] Kolgeirr@sh.itjust.works 13 points 11 months ago

I could happen here! Four 12-hour days..

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

That's exactly it. 8 hours a day is too long as it is.

[-] Usernameblankface@lemmy.world 36 points 11 months ago

It amazes me that "made more money" doesn't immediately sell this to every company across the world. But no, making people work longer hours to feel like the company is more productive is more important than making money and actually being more productive.

[-] burntbutterbiscuits@sh.itjust.works 23 points 11 months ago

The idea of meritocracy is being exposed as the complete bullshit that it is. For the most part, the folks at the top of the company were born there. And the folks at the bottom of the ladder were also born there.

The owner class is not some group of genius businessmen. It’s just that if you have a lot of money, you can make a lot more money with it even if you are really stupid.

[-] KinglyWeevil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 11 months ago

Imagine you own a couch you can sit on for forty hours a week, and it's decoratively on display in your living room, but generally completely unused.

You're not going to want to pay the same amount to be able to sit on it less, even if you never do.

The analogy here is that management basically sees you as furniture they literally own. They don't want to give up ownership of that time for any reason.

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[-] nieceandtows@programming.dev 22 points 11 months ago

Yeah that’s what they said about work from home before they about faced and demanded everybody come back to office, even those who worked remote before all this. I’ll not believe it even if I see it.

[-] fluckx@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago

Meanwhile in Belgium:

We have this! You just work your 5 day hours (38) in 4 days!

Of course they got it wrong :'(

[-] randon31415@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago

4-day work week, WFH, and other things make people more productive. More productive means less people can do the same amount of work. Less people means the middle managers have less people to manage and less chances to justify their job. Everyone who isn't at the top or bottom of the tree will fight this tooth and nail.

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[-] NabeGewell@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

Lmao yeah that would def happen, with -25% income as well right?

[-] Surreal@programming.dev 11 points 11 months ago

We can then spend the other 3 days of the week working a second job for +75% pay, hurray!

[-] ShadowRunner@kbin.social 10 points 11 months ago

Have you not been reading articles on this topic? Yes, we are talking about a 32 hour work week with no loss in pay.

[-] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Options should be 40 hours, 10 hour days, not 32 hours total. That ends up a lot less income.

[-] voidf1sh@lemm.ee 18 points 11 months ago

Did you even read the article you shared? It's still 8 hour days, the workweek would become 32 hours

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[-] ShadowRunner@kbin.social 12 points 11 months ago

This entire topic is about shortening the work week without any loss in pay.

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[-] Saneless@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

Future state: "We're so productive with 4 days a week. Imagine how good things would be if we did an extra day?"

[-] lynny@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

I'll believe it when I see it. Many jobs do not work well on this schedule, such as logistics or manufacturing plants that house multiple customers. Not to mention if you have overtime you either get in at 3am or work Friday.

This comes off as yet another article written by and advocated by office workers who likely have never had a floor job in their life. That's a privilege, and one most people do not have.

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