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I think we need all support we can get to fight Google on this, so I welcome Brave here actually.

Use this link to avoid going to Twitter:

https://nitter.kavin.rocks/BrendanEich/status/1684561924191842304

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[–] dill@lemmy.one 392 points 1 year ago (19 children)
[–] Silinde@lemmy.world 116 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I personally switched back to Firefox after 13 years earlier this year and was surprised just how easy it was. All my main extensions exist on Firefox and it gave me an opportunity to remove some extension bloat at the same time. Highly recommend.

[–] mrmanager 81 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (16 children)

Try container tabs!

They have separate sessions so you can be logged in to the same site on multiple accounts. This is extreamly useful for stuff like being logged in to github using work account and company account or other sites where you just need many accounts. Aws is another good example.

There is also temporary containers that leave no trace at all.

[–] thehatfox@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago

Containers are one of the best features Firefox has gained in recent years. They make managing multiple website accounts so much easier than trying to use multiple browsers or browser profiles. They are also useful for developers in lots of ways.

I don’t know why Mozilla doesn’t promote Containers more, they can’t even be used out of the box because they have to be enabled with an extension. It’s a far better feature than many of the other recent gimmicks like time limited colour schemes.

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[–] CriticalMiss@lemmy.world 132 points 1 year ago (4 children)

https://nitter.net/BrendanEich/status/1684561924191842304

Nitter link.

Also, the Chromium forks need to get onboard. I think Opera doesn't care about ads either so it will likely go against it but Microsoft will definitely add it to Edge.

Use Firefox :)

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I guess nitter needs to be renamed to...nix?

[–] eric5949@lemmy.cloudaf.site 21 points 1 year ago

NixOS enters the chat.

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[–] Marks@kbin.social 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I really hope Microsoft sees the light. Edge is the best browser for my productivity. Can't work without their implementation of vertical tabs and tab groups.

Every so often I try it out on firefox and any option is just still not ideal.

[–] Laxaria@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

As long as websites/advertisers see their visitors as using a Chromium based browser they will continue to target for Chromium, regardless of whatever front facing UI is used.

The inherent problem is Google has an outsized voice in Chromium's developmental trajectory, and any major changes to Chromium will have downstream impacts, whether in actual implemented feature sets or forks making continued modifications on top.

The best way to protest is to not use a Chromium browser. Switching from Chrome to another Chromium browser is at best a side grade; everyone using Chromium is subject to Google's whimsy.

Pragmatically it doesn't matter if Microsoft chooses not to implement it; as long as Edge is on Chromium, Google can leverage this to continue to bully the web to their own devices.

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[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 122 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Their business model is replacing ads with ads they get paid for. Obviously they aren't going to like Google making that harder.

[–] abraham_linksys@sh.itjust.works 46 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Brendan Eich is an asshole deep in the Conspiracy Victim Complex too. I like Brave search as an alternative to Google but I'm still using Firefox

[–] sci@feddit.nl 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

He also had to leave Mozilla in 2014 due to opposition to same-sex marriage.

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[–] PlatypusXray@feddit.de 22 points 1 year ago (4 children)

You may be right but I have been using Brave on iOS simply because you can’t just install Firefox and uBlock, and since I reconfigured the new tab page I haven’t seen any ads anywhere at all.

From now on, any browser that refuses to implement Google‘s evil shit should be worth a look.

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[–] Spedwell@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

At least there is a big (ish?) player in the Chromium-sphere pushing back against this.

The more browsers that don't initially support this, the slower adoption by web sites will be. If enough of the browser market share remains incompatibe, and if we're lucky, maybe this technology won't stick.

[–] LoafyLemon@kbin.social 86 points 1 year ago

I don't agree with Brave's business model, and the shady stuff they did, but the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

[–] not2betruffledwith@lemmy.world 80 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Had been using Brave for 4 years. Switched from it to Firefox after the Google DRM news came out. Firefox is awesome!

[–] Psythik@lemm.ee 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

I never liked Brave. The whole "allow ads to get awards" thing doesn't sit right with me. The only adblockers that do that are the ones that are in bed with the ad companies. Firefox with UBlock Origin and NoScript is all you need.

(I mean, there are other good addons for privacy as well, but it's easy to go down a rabbit hole and next thing you know you have 30 different extensions installed and websites are breaking. Then you have to start disabling things one-by-one until you find the culprit. Setting your security settings in FF to "Strict" and using those two addons should be good enough without going overboard.)

Edit: only thing that sucks about Firefox is that it still doesn't support HDR and RTX Video Super Resolution yet, so in the meantime I use the "Open in Chromium" browser extension when I'm watching videos on YouTube, so that they display properly with all the enhancements.

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[–] mtchristo@lemm.ee 75 points 1 year ago (14 children)

The DRM will be so interwoven into the core engine that they won't be able to remove it. chromium is a sinking ship

[–] Asudox@lemmy.world 73 points 1 year ago (23 children)

Time to switch to Firefox as the base.

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[–] aksdb@feddit.de 30 points 1 year ago

It might be interwoven, but at the end there are three interfaces:

  1. the headers or tags that trigger it to be enabled for a website
  2. the API towards the attester
  3. the headers that are added to subsequent call to include the verdict of the attester

It should be enough to disable/sabotage nr. 1. If not, you can sabotage nr. 2 so it simply doesn't attest shit. And finally you can suppress adding the verdict to the responses.

If the actual "fingerprinting" or whatever else is in there is still intact doesn't matter if you just don't trigger it.

Of course webservers would simply deny serving brave then. But it's still a good move. The more browsers get "denied", the easier it will be to make a case against websites for some kind of discrimination.

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[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 62 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Brave have started their marketing spree to try and distract from their most recent controversy. Like clockwork, every time they do something controversial they start marketing to drum up new users.

[–] NickwithaC@lemmy.world 63 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Just a reminder that Brendan Eich who founded Brave was ousted from Mozilla for being a homophobic piece of shit.

Brave is the edgelord of browsers.

[–] d6GeZtyi@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Brendan Eich who founded Brave was ousted from Mozilla for being a homophobic piece of shit.

He was ousted because he donated 1000$ to a political project that he personally supported, which yes, was banning of homosexual marriage.

I specify that, even if I shouldn't, the project in question is not something I agree with. Yet firing him and continuing to attack him years after (like you're doing here) over opinions he kept personal (he didn't bring it to Mozilla nor did he comment openly about this opinion) is a little shocking to me.

Let's say you personally supported a wildly unpopular, some might call bigoted, societal change, say drug criminalization in states that legalized it. As long as you just not exposed this in your professional life, how would you feel if your work fired you over it and if people kept bashing you (without knowing anything about you) and your future professional endeavors for the rest of your life?

We should probably just chill out on that part.

[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Let me translate your comment with equivalent wording that reveals it's true nature.

Imagine being caught calling for the eradication of jews in private and then being fired and called an anti-semite for the rest of your life. Even though you didn't bring this into your workplace and then companies being reluctant to hire you.

also your drug criminalization is an entire load of false equivalence bollocks, drug criminalization is a far more complex issue than Gay Marriage, or rather whether we should treat people equally. There are very valid arguments for certain drugs to be criminalized that are way too easy to abuse and kill people with, like fentanyl and I say that as someone that's a supporter of full drug decriminalization.

Not to mention there are levels to drug criminalization, there is a difference if you have a gram of drug on you or a metric fuck ton.

There is no version of treating LGBT+ as just somewhat less equal that's morally defensible.

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[–] gaw@lemmy.cafe 60 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Brendan is quick to act when it comes to $$$$.. and anti LGBT law

[–] Chunk@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Can you expand on the LGBT comment? I'm looking for a new browser and an anti LGBT organization would be a deal breaker for me.

[–] PeachMan@lemmy.one 95 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Brendan Eich is vocally against gay marriage, it's not a secret. Also Brave is fuckin SKETCHY. They've always come up with "creative" ways of making money, sometimes inserting affiliate links into their users' searches, sometimes selling their data, other times getting into weird crypto schemes.

Every time somebody catches them doing something sketchy, they put out a big "OOPS SORRY THAT WAS AN ACCIDENT" statement, and their fanboys just forgive them and act like it's no big deal. Then they troll Reddit (and now Lemmy) blindly repeating how great and privacy-focused Brave is.

The only browser worth your time is Firefox. If you insist on sticking with a Chromium-based browser (which is most of them, including Brave), then Arc is pretty damn cool.

[–] Derproid@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Woah when were they caught selling user data, that would be a huge blow to them as a privacy focused browser that I've somehow never heard of.

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[–] Odo@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Check the section labeled "Appointment to CEO and resignation" on Eich's Wikipedia entry. He also expressed some COVID doubting nonsense during the pandemic. To my knowledge Brave doesn't have an official stance on any of this, but it's not a good look when the CEO does (or at least, did in the recent past).

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[–] Powerpoint@lemmy.world 49 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Switched back to Firefox myself. Highly recommend.

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[–] Historical_General@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Isn't Brave doing this because they have their own way that they sell ads for coins?

I don't entirely approve, I think. But if it helps fight Google's domination of the market, fine.

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[–] UnknownQuantity@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I don't get all the hate Brave gets. I understand that techies have some issues, but for me as a user I have nothing bad to say. Ads are blocked everywhere, including YouTube. There's an option to use tor...

If you don't like the crypto options don't use them. I always thought crypto was bunk, but I wish I bought a bunch of bitcoin when I first heard of it.

[–] kava@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I don't like it because it's a chrome derivative. Sure, they use Chromium and can edit some things. But at the end of the day, they use the Chrome javascript engine and render the HTML/CSS however Google wants to. Therefore Google more or less defines how that browser represents the web. If Google wants to implement or not implement some web standard, Brave has to follow along whether they like it or not.

I want less power in Google'a hands, not more.

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[–] DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de 34 points 1 year ago (16 children)

I don't understand.

There's loads of people for whom 3 or 4 sites make up 99% of "the web", and those sites will just stop working for people using browsers without WEI support.

I just don't really see how a browser could be viable in the future without WEI support.

[–] mrmanager 97 points 1 year ago (10 children)

And that's exactly the point. WEI makes it a world where big tech decides if they are going to support a competing browser, a competing operating system like Linux, or plugins against ads. They can also force you to have any number of plugins installed, from their choosing.

It destroys the free web completely.

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[–] DarraignTheSane@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Brave users remind me of Joe Rogan bros. I wonder what that Venn diagram looks like.

[–] ScaredDuck@sopuli.xyz 23 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Surely a browser with a market share 2% that of Chrome's (not total!) doing this will change anything. Surely when Google implements this and your bank and government websites start requiring your browser be "secure" users aren't going to just switch back to chrome where "everything just works".

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[–] zikk_transport2@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Idk Brave is not a browser, but some crypto processig application. It tries to be more than browser, but I only need browser, so I am not going to use it.

Firefox seem to do the job just fine. <3

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[–] whileloop@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

Brave has had my respect. Today, Brave earned my appreciation.

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