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[–] JATtho@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I know two friends.. who would absolutely lynch you for doing this.

Anyway, it has been fun following them and occasionally ask "whats this card worth?" and general answer has been 5-50€ a card. The cards can be worth more than literal money.

[–] No_Money_Just_Change@feddit.org 20 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The problem is that this specific card is worth 5.000-18.000$

https://www.cardmarket.com/en/Magic/Products/Singles/Alpha/Black-Lotus

No, I do not know why

[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago

Because it's the most powerful card in the 30 years the game has been around and the 1st printing (alpha) was very limited so there are not very many in existence.

[–] Gladaed@feddit.org 11 points 2 days ago

18 grand is a steal. Lotus can be much more in decent condition. The depiction in the Post is worth 1 - 2 Teslas.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 38 points 2 days ago

You can go to a good print shop and get yourself an entire stack of Black Lotus proxies for a few bucks. It is the most heavily counterfeited card in the series

[–] Kidra@sopuli.xyz 42 points 2 days ago

I'm not even into magic and I'm offended

[–] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 100 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I got like 3 or 4 of these kicking around. I was gonna toss em. Maybe I'll try this out.

[–] Thann@lemmy.ml 68 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I already have the stuff setup, you can mail them to me and I'll mail the minis back =]

[–] Dagnet@lemmy.world 39 points 3 days ago

Wow, you are so nice, love this community

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 59 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

Better do that to your used blacker lotuses

[–] Sidyctism2@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 2 days ago

i love that you are supposed to rip it into piece, but only after you tabbed it

[–] CptEnder@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Lmao I love that joke series

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[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 2 days ago

Just got death threats from my magic friends XD

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 68 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Finally, a use for Magic cards

Actually, one place I know uses them as coasters, and another has a tabletop made out of them covered in resin, so I guess this is the third useful thing

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 3 days ago (4 children)

I use ‘em to measure powders and put ‘em into bags!

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 days ago

So you're gathering the magic with your magic the gathering cards

[–] Agrivar@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

After years of uncontrolled MtG addiction, I have so many basic lands that I used them for that, and to scoop up weed to put in the bowl, and to pick my teeth, and to cut into doobie filters, etc etc.

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 days ago

Hell yeah hahaha. I try to find relevant commons or shitty in commons that match what I’m doing.

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[–] Archpawn@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think an awesome way to use them would be to have the BBEG be a planeswalker. When the fight starts, the DM pulls out a Magic deck and starts playing Magic against D&D.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

None of what you said means anything to me.

[–] Toneswirly@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago
[–] scaramobo@lemmynsfw.com 27 points 3 days ago (5 children)

I know Black Lotus is one of the most (the most) valuable MTG card, but why is that so?

It's a nice card, but not all that extremely powerful or special, is it? Was it just super rare? It's from one of the first series, I believe?

[–] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 days ago

not all that extremely powerful

It’s game-breakingly powerful. It lets you get 3 mana for free instantly. Combined with spells that let you draw extra cards, this can result in having unlimited resources to do whatever you want on the very first turn of a game.

[–] Lianodel@ttrpg.network 34 points 2 days ago (2 children)

/u/DerisionConsulting@lemmy.ca is right on the money. Mana paces the game, so anything that can break that is super good. In an otherwise even matchup, if one player has a Lotus while the other doesn't, that can easily make the game. It's not going to win the game in and of itself, but it's a huge enabler to play the thing that will win you the game, before your opponent can reasonably do anything about it.

On top of that, it's literally good in all decks. It's been banned in every format besides Vintage, where it's restricted to one (and not including casual/fan formats). It had to be banned partly for power reasons, but also because it makes deck-building less diverse. There's no deck that wouldn't want a Lotus if it could have one, much less four.

It's also part of the Reserved List. After WotC overprinted cards, they essentially promised not to reprint certain ones. I think it's a dumb decision, but they've annoyingly stuck to it (and players are worse off for it). Black Lotus is on that list. And it was alreadly limited in printings, because it was a rare card, and a bit of a design mistake.

It's also simply an iconic card. Despite being a design mistake, it's a major part of Magic history, and gets referenced all the time. To some extent, it's famous for being famous. That makes it the biggest prize for collectors.

So, all this together, it has an incredibly high demand, a very limited supply, and no indication of a reprint anytime soon.

So I printed off a proxy at a professional card printer for 30¢. :)

[–] sundray@lemmus.org 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

After WotC overprinted cards, they essentially promised not to reprint certain ones. I think it’s a dumb decision, but they’ve annoyingly stuck to it

WotC goes out of its way to avoid upsetting the used market/card arbitrage people. If they did a reprint of Black Lotus, the howl of anger from those folks would shake the Earth from its orbit.

[–] GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk 5 points 2 days ago

Like when Demon Days finally got a repress.
The market of people paying £100+ because they were the only copies dried up, leaving only the people who wanted a first pressing.

[–] ahdok@ttrpg.network 1 points 2 days ago

I believe that WotC have stated multiple times that they'll never reprint Black Lotus - it was a limited run even in alpha.

[–] ahdok@ttrpg.network 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

This is often cited as the most powerful card ever printed.

Very few cards are strong enough that they form part of a first-turn-kill, with the vast majority of decks, it's not remotely possible to get enough mana to play the kinds of cards that would end the game before your opponent can even do anything. Black Lotus gives you three mana, without having to play a land. If you're trying to build a hyper-broken combination, it's much easier to do if you have a black lotus.

Even outside of hyper-broken combinations, black lotus contributes heavily towards mana ramp, a mechanic that a large number of decks rely on to get going.

MtG has a lot of extremely powerful cards, but most of those are still somewhat situational. Black Lotus is a card you could add to almost any deck and improve that deck. It's so universally broken that it's impossible to build a deck that can't be improved with a black lotus... unless that deck already has four black lotuses.


As for it's value... they printed 500 of them. Total. The cost you'd pay for a black lotus is "highest bid at auction" - they don't really have a list price, because it's determined entirely by "is there one for sale right now?"

[–] DerisionConsulting@lemmy.ca 40 points 3 days ago

Very old/rare, and bonkers powerful.

The whole game is about what you do with mana (currency).
If all we are looking at is the mana, this lets you pay for other cards on your first turn that you normally wouldn't be able to play until the 4th turn of the game. That's a huge advantage.

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[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 46 points 3 days ago

Totally. This person needs to put some mod podge on top to protect the paper and add weight.

[–] Fallofturkey@lemmy.world 41 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I did this as a kid to make 'pogs' lol

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 53 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

“Here’s my Nolan Ryan rookie pog and here’s my Hologram Charizard pog.”

[–] teft@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I got this Honus Wagner slammer that I made from my granddad's collection. Can I play?

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[–] pooberbee@lemmy.ml 34 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I need a ttrpg with a pogs battle mechanic

[–] ninjabard@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago

Don't give WOTC any ideas.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Oof. That's gonna diminish the value a tad.

[–] Godnroc@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And yet the listing would still probably say "near mint condition".

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 days ago

It's much more mint shaped now, so I guess that's correct...

[–] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 19 points 3 days ago

This is enough of a crime to lock you up in a jail for the rest of your lifetime.

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 3 days ago (2 children)

What are these worth currently?

[–] entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org 60 points 3 days ago (7 children)

10K at the low end.

If it makes you feel any better, the wood grain in the hole doesn't line up with the wood grain of the rest of the table. It's a slightly sloppy photoshop.

[–] Mango@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's not a hole. It's a token.

[–] entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Mango@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Ooohhhh! The grain could just be bending a little.

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[–] DerisionConsulting@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 days ago

Earlier this year, one in perfect condition sold for 3 million USD.

[–] kubica@fedia.io 16 points 3 days ago (2 children)

No one has yet mentioned the part of the border that has been cut? I'm deceived.

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[–] Zementid@feddit.nl 4 points 2 days ago

But this is one of my favorite cards... quite offensive!

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