this post was submitted on 18 Sep 2024
374 points (98.7% liked)

Technology

60081 readers
4203 users here now

This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.


Our Rules


  1. Follow the lemmy.world rules.
  2. Only tech related content.
  3. Be excellent to each another!
  4. Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
  5. Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
  6. Politics threads may be removed.
  7. No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
  8. Only approved bots from the list below, to ask if your bot can be added please contact us.
  9. Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed

Approved Bots


founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 109 points 3 months ago (3 children)

It’s very impressive that they got such a modern process up and running in such a relatively short period of time. I understand the Arizona location is relatively new.

[–] misk@sopuli.xyz 77 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, they're essentially doing trials where Arizona fab provides small amounts of sillicon that's being validated against what Taiwan fab does. While it was planned for 2024 I'm guessing everyone thought it would be delayed. It's quite a big win for US, they're on track to secure domestic supply of fairly modern chips in case shit hits the fan in Taiwan.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 74 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

And they managed to do that with those lazy US workers? Wow.

E: folks, pls look up TSMC bosses' statements on American workers' ethic

[–] sensiblepuffin@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Also, if interested, check out this documentary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Factory. Has a lot of interesting crosstalk between Chinese/American views on work and business.

[–] jumjummy@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Such a sad documentary, especially the self sabotage union votes.

[–] sensiblepuffin@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

I know. I was devastated when I first watched it, because I was so sure it was going to pass...

[–] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Thanks, Biden! And the American taxpayer!

[–] IcyToes@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 months ago

Maybe, but Intel operates there so the labour pool is probably quite skilled already. Perhaps good supply chains too.

[–] 0x0f@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 3 months ago

more domestic production is great

[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 33 points 3 months ago (2 children)

This is HORRIBLE! I'm a Patriotic Republican and don't know why it's Horrible Yet but Biden did it so it's BAD!!

[–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

He did it to support the rich libtards! Not the poor working Republicans can no longer afford guns to stop the immigrants. And he hates Tiaywan !

/S

[–] brlemworld@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

We shouldn't be making water and energy intensive manufacturing in a hot desert.

[–] febra@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Bit by bit, Taiwan will be slowly sold off to China once they no longer hold the last thing that made them worthy of Western protection. Of course, there will be some harsh words of condemnation, but that's it. That's my theory. Sad but true.

[–] misk@sopuli.xyz 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That's the reason I'm rooting for everyone, including China, to do well with domestic chipmaking. Makes everyone have little less reason to try this modern day mutually assured destruction.

[–] Prethoryn@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

China: "this guys right, we are almost close to be our own chip manufacture and owning Taiwan."

[–] misk@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 months ago

That would be par for the course of my life decisions.

[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Anybody know if this has anything to do with Biden's Chips and Sciences program?

[–] QBertReynolds@sh.itjust.works 28 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yes. So far, the CHIPS Act has resulted in $6.6b in direct funding and an additional $5b in available loans for the AZ facility.

[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Cool. Thanks for the intel.

[–] TheGalacticVoid@lemm.ee 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I don't know what TSMC is. Figured it was a company.

[–] jacksilver@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Not sure if you're serious, but they were making a joke because Intel, who makes chips, is a competitor to TMSC the chip manufacturer from the article.

So they played on that relationship by treating the word Intel in your "thanks for the Intel" comment as meaning the company.

[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

No I meant intel, not Intel. Like 411. It was just coincidental.

[–] lustyargonian@lemm.ee 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

N00b question. Do these chips get transferred from USA to India/Vietnam for assembly and then back again to all over the world for shipping?

[–] mholiv@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

They may. But logistically I can’t see it being a problem. Each CPU is like 10mmx10mmx1mm. You could fit a TON in a 1m^3 box.

[–] Threeme2189@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago

Ideally 100,000 if my math is correct. Just be careful as there is no packing material except for the box itself.

[–] lustyargonian@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago

Hmm. Perhaps we'd come to a point where these facilities are on all continents to reduce ecological impact, but I guess Apple isn't that green.

load more comments
view more: next ›