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[–] vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 61 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

If you want the meat robot to work for you, you need to pay the upkeep for the meat robot.

That includes power (food), repairs (health insurance) and upgrades (education).

If you can’t afford that, you can’t afford to have a meat robot on your staff.

[–] orl0pl@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I wonder what will happen when steel robots take our jobs

[–] vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 2 months ago

More time for revolution

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[–] Cataphract@lemmy.ml 48 points 2 months ago (25 children)

I remember growing up in the 90's and being acutely aware of the growing minimum wage. I knew no matter what that when I was able to get a job I would be guaranteed "this" amount and always thought about prices and how long I had to work to get something I wanted when I was an adult. Every small bump made it a little mini-celebration like I was getting a future raise that would allow me to have a better life.

Now? Shake and bake costs over 5$, I have to literally work over an hour to buy half a cup of "convenient" seasoned bread crumbs. I could buy the flour, make the bread, and process it to make my own... but now I'm out of time in the day to work enough to actually afford the meat or any other side item. Oh yeah, and at some point I should pay my bills and save for retirement -_-

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[–] ansiz@lemmy.world 38 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And yet a local Domino's Pizza around here is still offering the same $12 an hour rate and advertising a manager salary of $25k a year! Corporations never learn and people wonder why customer service is so crappy.

[–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Huh, according to Indeed, the range for Domino's delivery drivers around me is $18-$25 an hour. How far over minimum wage is your $12?

[–] DrSteveBrule@mander.xyz 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I can't speak for domino's, but when I worked at pizza hut as a driver they advertised a similar pay. The reality is I got $4 and change an hour on the road and my states minimum wage in store plus tips. The listed pay range was what they guess you'll make with tips.

[–] Demdaru@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Saw similiar shit here. "Delivery person needed!". And whne it comes to pay, it's sudden;y "up to xx/h". God forbit they pay you normally.

[–] BallsandBayonets@lemmings.world 4 points 2 months ago

At least dominoes is still hiring their own drivers! Papa John's uses DoorDash, aka when the driver steals your food everyone points fingers at the other and the customer always loses.

[–] ansiz@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It's NC, so it's bottom of the barrel what is legally required minimum wage. 7.25

[–] meliaesc@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

They are likely including tips in that range.

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[–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Drivers heavily rely on tips. That is the estimated price range with tips. The base pay for Domino's drivers in my area is $10/hr.

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 32 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

There should be no profits, no bonuses, and no dividends until every worker (not employee, it doesn't matter what your relationship with the company is if they benefit from your labour) is making at least a living wage with full benefits. Executive pay should be capped at a multiple of the pay of the lowest paid worker or of the average pay paid to all workers. whichever is lower.

[–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (7 children)

There should be no profits, no bonuses, and no dividends until every worker (not employee, it doesn’t matter what your relationship with the company is if they benefit from your labour) is making at least a living wage with full benefits.

To get anywhere, you must define "living wage" concretely. You can use variables of course, but without at least a 'formula', "living wage" is just a meaningless, unachievable talking point. You at least have to know what you're aiming at, to have any hope of achieving it--you'll never get anywhere just saying "living wage", because 'enough to live on' does not nearly have the same definition for everyone. So, what's the baseline, in your view?

Example: 'the living wage should be enough money to afford [list of things] with $X leftover for discretionary spending/saving.'

[–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago (3 children)

the definition of living wage is already defined by MIT

They actually have a pretty decent website that calculates it for you here

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[–] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The cost of living will just keep going up because inflation is necessary in our current, debt based monetary system. The Fed tries to keep this under control by not allowing the rate of inflation to go much beyond about 2% a year. The recent inflation issue we've been having wasn't about inflation suddenly happening where it hadn't been happening before, it was about the rate of inflation increasing beyond the Fed's 2% target. When they talk about inflation getting back under control, they're talking about the rate of inflation getting back to near 2%. But make no mistake: prices are still going up - they have to, that's how the system works - and they will keep going up every year, seemingly indefinitely. For this reason, a cost of living raise equal to at least the rate of inflation is absolutely essential, otherwise workers are getting a pay cut.

But this is further complicated by the fact that the core inflation numbers are very broad. Housing costs are exploding. Core inflation would be much lower if not for rising housing costs. But the way housing costs increases are measured is by averaging housing costs across all markets, meaning the cost of housing in low demand areas is averaged with the cost of housing in high demand areas. This means that if you live in a high demand area, the core inflation rate doesn't necessarily capture the true cost of living in your area, and that the cost of living in your area is going up much faster than the national average. Therefore, many workers need an annual cost of living increase that is much greater than the national inflation rate.

As far as I know, there is no national law requiring companies to give cost of living raises every year. Many companies do, but many don't. A mandatory, annual cost of living raise is something that unions can negotiate, once again showing the value of unions.

[–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The cost of living will just keep going up because inflation is necessary in our current, debt based monetary system.

You're making this sound like it's something that was arbitrarily decided by powers that be, but the fact is that if there was deflation instead, the economy would come to a screeching halt, because it becomes more 'optimal' to hold onto cash under a mattress (since in deflation, it grows in value over time) instead of spending it on goods and services.

A tiny amount of inflation is best long-term, for the whole.

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[–] Crankenstein@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I still have people telling me that 15/hr is too generous.

People gotta start getting angry enough to organize with other angry people.

[–] NutWrench@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 months ago

Minimum wage should have been $15/hr at least 10 years ago.

[–] _sideffect@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

All by design

[–] CondensedPossum@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

So it has been with all political carrots in the United States my entire adult life, regardless of who is in charge, which is why I don't believe in nations or electoralism anymore

[–] nifty@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Meanwhile CEO pay rose 1460% since 1978 https://www.epi.org/publication/ceo-pay-in-2021/

The execs use those untaxed resources to lobby and keep things in their favor, and so the cycle continues

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