8 hours sleep? I wish... As I get older sleep become an elusive thing.
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The natural selection implications for dream amnesia are wild.
What do you mean, care to elaborate?
My 100% BS conjectures are:
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to save energy versus committing the dream to long term memory
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to facilitate childhood/adolescent development, as object permanence is learned you need the external world to be the consistent one. You can't waste energy learning to adapt to the worlds in your dreams in later childhood.
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as adults dream amnesia can help avoid relived or newly generated trauma incurred as the begin processes your external experience.
Idk, there's lots of possible benefits. In not about to do the research paper deep dive. But the wild part is that dreaming developed and the mechanism for not remembering the dreams also developed and there was a selective pressure for that to be the case.
Yeah it's super interesting to think about, thanks for explaining!
I don't dream and when I do they are usually mundane like going to work. Which makes me sleep in as I think I am already heading to work
Capital won't care about dreams until they can inject commercials, propaganda, etc.
Luckily the dream state is still one of the few remaining surrealist safe places to us humans.
Anyone who says this doesn't know what "coma" means. Or "lucid" for the matter
HUMAN BEINGS MAKE LIFE SO INTERESTING. DO YOU KNOW, THAT IN A UNIVERSE SO FULL OF WONDERS, THEY HAVE MANAGED TO INVENT BOREDOM.
- Death of the Discworld
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Human memories are stored in flesh
Flesh has to be replaced constantly
When you sleep your memories are being copied and reallocated to new flesh, the things you experience in dreams are just a series of incredibly losely related themes and concepts. In general human memory searching relies on association of concepts rather than any sorted lists or some other silly inorganic solution.
That sounds cool, but I don't think it's strictly true.
Memories that have many pathways won't be lost due to a few broken pathways and are reinforced with further experience: learning or remembering.
Others are simply gone with neurons dying or the pathways getting severed.
Neurogenesis doesn't happen as much in adults, they're the longest living cells in our bodies - adult neurons last a lifetime
I boiled down the complex neurological system of organic memory in living beings down to a paragraph, of course there is room for a lot of nuance and sophistry.
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Look at the guy who sleeps 8 hours a night and also have dreams, I wish I would have that luxury
You can train yourself to remember dreams if you start writing down everything you remember.
You can also learn to recognize that you are in a dream and take control (look up lucid dreaming).
Or don't, maybe we are supposed to forget them. For instance I do not want to remember my dreams as I have barely ever had a pleasant one. I'd rather wake up in blissful ignorance of whatever shit my broken brain threw together while it tries to suffocate me.
just wanted to point out that most people don't have a lifetime of nightly nightmares, and your could be eased with some therapy, or at least mushrooms and puppies.
and if you LIKE nightmares and want more, slap on a nicotine patch right before you go to bed.
My brain literally doesn't function properly when I sleep, it doesn't send signals for my lungs to exhale so it probably is doing other things wrong as well.
Once I started on CPAP there was a huge drop in adrenaline shocks to my heart while I slept.
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Every single dream I have is lucid. Nightly I live entire lifetimes and wake up and have to convince myself this is reality and I don't have those friends and families. To this day there are times I have to ask my irl friends and family if a certain memory is real or not.
It's interesting but also heartbreaking and exhausting.
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Every time I lucid dream, I end up waking myself up with something stupid like tripping as I step off a curb.
Just realizing I'm dreaming wakes me up every damn time. The only times I've gotten to have some fun is when I don't question why the laws of physics suddenly changed and just go with it. The second I start going, "Wait a second, I think I'm drea-" boom, I wake up. It's infuriating, I just want to fly around or explore the ocean depths or some shit.
Whenever I realize I'm dreaming I usually just get really excited and it accidentally wakes me up. I don't get time to do cool stuff.
8 hours sounds nice. I usually manage about 4 or 5
Obligatory sleep hacks from a person who loves sleep:
- Clean bedsheets
- No phone in bed
- Same sleep time every day
- Same wake time every day
- Exercise during the day
- No lights in the room. No LEDs, no street lights
- White noise
If you do any one of these your sleep will improve. If it doesn't, I give you full permission to flame me and my dog.
This concept is known as "sleep hygiene" if anyone wants to read further.
I have slept many nights, on average about once a day for many years. In my experience, it's the routine that has the most effect. I know it's super difficult to maintain but going to bed and waking up same time everyday is the key.
White noise is critical and underrated.
What does your poor dog have to do with this?
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I have had only a few vivid, real feeling dreams that have stuck with me for years. Do I know what they mean, nope. Do I wish I had more of them... yes. Working on improving my sleep in the last year or so. I think my average sleep time actually got a few mins. shorter. Oops.
Sex is weird too. You undress and make your self vulnerable and expend a lot of energy and risk catching a disease and then fall asleep. Either we do it for fun or to create a parasite that we have to take are of.
Most animals don't have clothes to take off and don't fuck at sleep time
Humans are odd, and I think our sleeping after sex is just that we've structured society to leave the best time for sex late
I never slept right after sex as a youth as the end of the educational day and when my parents would get home left only daylight hours with sufficiency privacy
More than relevant. Stolen from. This person just slightly reworded an XKCD comic into a tweet.
Yeah, that was my thought too, though it is possible they came up with it independently. Or forgot they read that xkcd which came out 18 years ago (fuck!).
It has happened to Randall himself before (see the header)
Almost everyone does it almost every day, it would be more strange if everyone was freaking out about it.
havent had 8 hours of "lucid coma" since before most of you were born
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If I don't smokadaweed before bed I do tend to remember them. One of the reasons I try not to smoke late in the evening.
I have the opposite issue. Really stressful, anxiety inducing, or nightmare dreams.
Weed fixes that problem for me by being an organic skip button for dreaming
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Wait do y'all actually dream every day? For the full time of sleeping?
I only dream after I've already slept way more than enough for the day and even then it's like a less than 10% chance of having any dreams at all
Everyone dreams every night, but not everyone remembers their dreams in the morning. I don't remember my dreams most of the time.
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I used to be able to remember my dreams, or at the very least I would wake up with a sensation that I had had a dream, but anymore though I just feel like a blank slate, like nothing happened. If I dream anymore I’m completely losing them because I don’t even have the feeling that I’m forgetting anything, it’s just blank when I sleep now.
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