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[–] GoodGuyWithACat@hexbear.net 25 points 1 month ago (2 children)

While Russian forces are overextended all along the 700-mile front line of the wider war, outnumbered Ukrainian forces are even more overextended. Ukrainian defenses in the east were buckling before the general staff in Kyiv ordered parts of eight or so brigades to attack across the border into Kursk Oblast last month.

Now they’re buckling faster.

Can't stop laughing at the failure of the Reddit offensive into Kursk. An obvious gambit that Putin didn't fall for.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I also love how they claim both Russia and Ukraine are overextended. I don't think they quite understand what that word means. 🤣

[–] Seasonal_Peace@hexbear.net 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Russia is losing, sadly Ukraine is losing faster.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 month ago
[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Back a year or two ago, there was an interview where the Ukrainians said they were running their army like a start-up

This is such start-up behavior

Doing something that didn't work before, but louder and stupider

[–] GoodGuyWithACat@hexbear.net 18 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Maybe they meant "using a limitless tap of someone else's money with no realistic path to complete their goals."

[–] Sted@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago

Don't forget "lying about how well everything is going".

[–] FortifiedAttack@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago

Complete with "Presenting a plan to your main investor to convince him to invest more money into your failing business"

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Yea two ways to look at it and neither are good for ukraine.

Either it's not strategically viable in which case one might wonder why one of thr largest mechanized brigades of the Ukrainian army operated out of there and why they spent months fighting to try to keep it.

Or it is strategically viable and it was a successful Russian offensive.

Either way even if it isn't viable the Ukranians still tried and failed to hold it for years which it seems like your enemy capturing something you were trying to defend is a win for them regardless of how strategically valuable it was.

[–] GoodGuyWithACat@hexbear.net 9 points 1 month ago

Great point. If Russia takes it, it's not strategic. But it was strategic for thousands of people to die holding it. And I totally believe that Zelensky would sacrifice thousands of his people for something not strategic

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 month ago

Exactly, and while I do think Ugledar happens to be strategically important, there is an undeniable factor of Ukraine being constrained by the need for optics. Since Ukraine is entirely dependent on the west to continue fighting, they're conscious about them getting cold feet if they start thinking that Ukraine is a lost cause. This results in Ukraine holding every centimetre of territory to the last man, and doing stunts like Kursk. On the other hand, Russian military is free to make decisions regardless of the optics. They can give up territory, do tactical retreats, and so on. This is a huge advantage since it affords Russia far more operational freedom.

[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 14 points 1 month ago

This is what winning looks like. When you lose that's winning!

[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Ukraine is also losing more and more territory in Kursk by the day, as they had to send some of the "elite brigades" that took part in the initial Kursk gamble back to the Eastern front to prevent complete collapse under Russian attack, and replaced them with a bunch of inexperienced brigades who are incapable of holding territory in Kursk.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 month ago

Kursk was a monumental blunder on the part of Ukraine in my opinion. It pulled a ton of resources away from the main front that was already buckling, and ultimately failed to achieve anything strategic. Now, Ukraine isn't even able to pull out of Kursk politically because it would be an admission that the whole ploy failed. So, they're stuck feeding troops and scarce resources into this debacle while their main front collapses.