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Uncommitted movement: Trump remains biggest threat, not Democrats (www.middleeasteye.net)
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[–] geekwithsoul@lemm.ee 46 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

“But within the context of our broken electoral college system, we know that voting a third party is ultimately inadvertently supporting Trump”

Wow, that’s going to be crushing news to certain folks who clog our feeds with claims to the contrary.

On a serious note, I am happy that they recognize this and encourage everyone to pressure the new administration next year to address this. Democrats are imperfect but are at least susceptible to popular and organized pressure. The same cannot be said for the GOP or even more especially Trump. And push for some form of ranked choice voting and getting rid of the electoral college.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

Exactly this. But you'll never find them admitting to it, they'll have amnesia.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 10 points 13 hours ago (4 children)

"However, that’s not to say that White House officials or Democratic Party staff have heeded their calls for an immediate and permanent ceasefire, an arms embargo on Israel, and a lifting of the 17-year-old blockade on the Gaza Strip."

The White House has absolutely zero control over an immediate and permanent cease fire, or lifting the Gaza blockade, that's all on Israel to do and they're not interested.

We could enact an arms embargo, which would do nothing. Israel would continue producing their own weapons and obtain more from equally "on the outs" nations.

[–] BakerBagel@midwest.social 6 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

The White House was able to bring down a shit ton of sanctions on Russia after the invasion of Ukraine. There iia no reason they couldn't do the same after Israel began razing Gaza.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

They could, if they wanted to lose every penny of support from the single most powerful lobby in American politics:

https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus?ind=Q05

[–] basmati@lemm.ee 25 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

That's a cute thought, but if that's true, then let's go ahead and completely stop supporting Israel since we clearly have no effect either way, right?

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world -5 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

No, because if we stop supporting Israel, there's a non-zero chance they'll go to someone worse for support, like Putin.

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 9 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

....so your argument is that we should keep supporting a genocidal regime because they might go ask someone worse than us for help? "We need to help them kill innocent people or someone else might" is probably the worst take I think I've ever heard from someone outside of the republican party, and it's a close one on that front.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 0 points 2 hours ago

Pretty much, yeah, the Evangelical vote requires we maintain support of Israel because Jeebus could come back any day now, whoever alienates them is out, and fast.

[–] anas@lemmy.world 8 points 7 hours ago

I don’t think Putin can exactly spare any weapons at this time.

[–] ASDraptor@lemmy.autism.place 16 points 12 hours ago

They have power all right. It's quite simple: tell the nazi that he's on his own. That's it. The moment the nazi loses his "I'll call dad" card, we'll see how well he goes in the territory.

[–] Hegar@fedia.io 7 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

White House has absolutely zero control over an immediate and permanent cease fire, or lifting the Gaza blockade, that's all on Israel

The white house has plenty of influence over israel, they've just chosen to green light the genocide and netanyahu's regional escalation against the advice of our own experts.

An arms embargo would empower anti-netanyahu voices in israel who could point to his mismanaging of israel's most important bilateral. It would reduce the rate and kind of weapons the idf could bring to bear against civilians, saving lives.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Bibi doesn't give two shits what our opinions are, he's made that clear repeatedly.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 5 points 9 hours ago

Because he knows Biden will support him anyway. If Biden had some balls Netanyahu would never be able to do that shit.

[–] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world -1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

It's an important point (because as always Trump is worse), but the vast majority of people who criticise the dems policy on Israel already know and acknowledge this. The mole hill of the few people dumb enough to vote 3rd party/vote Trump over this is being made out to be a mountain by people who would rather laser-focus on that small issue than acknowledge that their preferred candidate is supporting a genocide.

[–] MediaBiasFactChecker@lemmy.world -5 points 13 hours ago

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