Looks like UniversalMonk is just embracing and celebrating this obviously bullshit Green Party shitshow now.
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But they're not even voting for Jill! So the propaganda they post is okay.
I don't blame Nader so much for 2000 - it's possible if he dropped out and endorsed Gore (who went very green in the environmental sense soon after) then Gore could have won, but I see the stopping of the recount of Florida and the issues with the butterfly ballots as bigger problems.
As for Ross Perot, I believe he did ensure a (Bill) Clinton win over Bush Sr, but since I swing Dem anyways this was a good thing.
In fact that kinda shows how unlikely 2016 would have been - since Bush Sr, how many times has the same party won the White House three times in a row? None. In fact it would have been rare before then too, as explained by https://www.thoughtco.com/two-consecutive-democratic-presidents-3368109
Of course 2024 is very different from 2016, and those differences lead me to be very optimistic, spoilers aside.
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