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[–] mohammed_alibi@lemmy.world 19 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Putin is also one of the world's richest man and funds Trump.

[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

Now that you mentioned putin, I propose we go looking for the Mexican cartel people who do the political events such as head and shoulders separations and we give them a challenge. Maybe give them a small island as a reward? 😉 Could you please bring back putin's happy face for a chance to win Mara Lago! Or Mara Island! 🏝️🏖️. With margaritas!

[–] carl_dungeon@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Because projection, misinformation, disinformation, and political agendas.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

yup. Amoral leadership lying to gullible supporters who want conspiracies, it's really that simple. A base who want simplistic explanations that reinforce their prejudices. Truth doesn't even rate.

[–] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Elitism and wealth, though often linked, are not the same. The term nouveaux riche highlights this difference: it refers to those who have gained wealth but lack the cultural status of the traditional elite. One can be rich without being part of the elite, as elitism is more about attitudes of superiority tied to education or social influence than money alone.

In American politics, Democrats are often branded as elitist due to their perceived condescension towards certain demographics, such as rural communities or southern voters. Critics argue that some Democrats dismiss these regions as culturally or intellectually inferior, suggesting that rural areas offer little value or substance. This perception of elitism stems from more than just economic disparity; it reflects a cultural and ideological divide. The urban-rural schism is not simply about money, but about who holds the power to shape discourse, values, and the future of society. Such perceptions fuel populist resentment, where rural or working-class voters feel alienated or belittled by what they view as a metropolitan, highly educated, and culturally insulated elite.

You can see some of this elitism right here in the comments in fact.

[–] SupahRevs@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Trump is the urban elitist you are referencing. Why does he get a pass from the voters from rural places?

[–] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

Trump has been snubbed and the laughing stock of elite NYC society for decades.

[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

The unwashed masses dare to think that we are the elites? Clearly a result of their inadequate education...

[–] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 195 points 1 week ago (11 children)

To be brief, it’s propaganda designed to keep rural voters red. Ie- "those big city folk don’t care about you."

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

To be fair, there is a kernel of truth there.

https://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about

The rural folk with the Trump signs in their yards say their way of life is dying, and you smirk and say what they really mean is that blacks and gays are finally getting equal rights and they hate it. But I'm telling you, they say their way of life is dying because their way of life is dying. It's not their imagination. No movie about the future portrays it as being full of traditional families, hunters, and coal mines. Well, except for Hunger Games, and that was depicted as an apocalypse.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 81 points 1 week ago (33 children)

Partly...

But also that the Dem party today is significantly more "conservative" economically than we used to be, as the article points out:

In 1910, Teddy Roosevelt thundered his warning that “a small class of enormously wealthy and economically powerful men, whose chief object is to hold and increase their power” could destroy US democracy. Roosevelt’s answer was to tax wealth. The estate tax was eventually enacted in 1916, and the capital gains tax in 1922.

In the 1912 presidential campaign, Woodrow Wilson promised “a crusade against powers that have governed us … that have limited our development … that have determined our lives … that have set us in a straitjacket to do as they please”. The struggle to break up the giant trusts would be, in Wilson’s words, a “second struggle for emancipation”.

Wilson signed into law the Clayton Antitrust Act, which strengthened antitrust laws and protected unions. He also established the Federal Trade Commission to root out “unfair acts and practices in commerce”, and created the first permanent national income tax.

Years later, Teddy Roosevelt’s fifth-cousin, Franklin D Roosevelt, attacked corporate and financial power by giving workers the right to unionize, the 40-hour workweek, unemployment insurance, and social security. FDR instituted a high marginal income tax on the wealthy – those making more than $5m a year were taxed up to 75% – and he regulated finance.

Plus, Teddy was the first presidential platform that used universal healthcare....

So part of it is that Republicans lie and propaganda

But if the modern Dem party didn't think the Dem party platform from a fucking century ago wasnt "too extreme" the modern Dem party would be as popular as it was with FDR.

Plus, Teddy was the first presidential platform that used universal healthcare…
So part of it is that Republicans lie and propaganda

Ironic considering that Teddy was a Republican.

But also that the Dem party today is significantly more “conservative” economically than we used to be

But that's the contradiction. The GOP is even further along this scale, so how can the GOP be seen as the party of the people while the Dems are elitists?

Partly…

I think mainly.

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[–] SelfProgrammed@lemmy.world 113 points 1 week ago (14 children)

To Democrats, "elites" mean your in some top percentile of wealth and income. To Republicans, "elites" means having a college degree.

[–] Tyfud@lemmy.world 47 points 1 week ago (3 children)

This is the correct answer to the question the Guardian poses. I've lived among them and can 100% confirm this is how they think.

Elites is all about having a college degree and being "book smart" vs their "street smart" or "wise in the ways of man" sort of bullshit charlatans throughout history have used to make up for a lack of critical thinking skills.

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[–] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 73 points 1 week ago (7 children)

This is one of the greatest scams that conservatives get away with IMO, not just in the US but it happens in the UK and other places too. Conservatives get in, go hog wild cutting taxes, selling off public assets and throwing huge contracts to their friends, and then as soon as the other side gets back in they find that they have to now balance the books, the conservatives start complaining and saying they're the fiscally responsible ones.

It's literally happening right now in the UK - we just got rid of the Tories finally after about 15 years, and the new Labour government immediately found a £20 billion hole in the economy which they now have to make harsh cuts to sort out, and they're the ones getting criticized for it by the media.

[–] GhostFaceSkrilla@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

To be fair, in this monopolized 2 party system, both parties are owned by pretty much the exact same corporate interests and mega rich. Everything is by design. There is nothing they leave to chance.

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[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 61 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Because the media continually accepts and perpetuates the right wing framing of everything.

[–] Signtist@lemm.ee 53 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Because the media is owned and operated by rich men who benefit from putting the blame on others and calling it "news."

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[–] psychothumbs@lemmy.world 50 points 1 week ago

Because rich Republicans also own the media.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 44 points 1 week ago

Because it was always about projection.

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 43 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Because the Democrats abandoned working class voters in the 80s and 90s to court the professional-managerial class in a pivot towards the center, and the Republicans were able to win over these disaffected blue-collar voters with resentment politics.

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