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"Whether you hate me, like me or are indifferent, do you want the best car, or do you not want the best car?" [Apartheid Manchild] told audiences at an event in November.

Well, for starters I don't want a car at all. I'd rather use public transit. You know, an actually effective means of reducing emissions.

If I were in the market, yes, I would want the best car. Which is why I'd never buy a Tesla. I'd buy an XPeng or a BYD or the like.

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[–] VantaBrandon@lemmy.world 43 points 2 days ago (3 children)

They used fake robots at their latest event. They were secretly controller by humans. Tesla is a scam company.

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[–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 133 points 2 days ago (10 children)

The Muskrat is the reason why I can't even feel good about anything SpaceX does. Every time they do something to propel space exploration forward, all I can think about is how he and his cronies are going to use it to privatize space for profits.

[–] Nurgus@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Every time i hear about SpaceX, I wonder how much further along we'd be if we had proper taxes and gave the money to NASA/ESA. Even if the answer is "about the same" then at least they treat their engineers well.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

Every dollar SpaceX spends, NASA gets it done with a fraction of the budget. The James Webb took forever but it was worth it. SpaceX would have trashed it for a tax write off.

[–] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 7 points 1 day ago

And at least NASA is beholden to US citizens instead of shareholders and a sociopath billionaire.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 21 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Honestly SpaceX is WAY overrated.

Yes, they have some good engineers, i dont doubt that, but:

They still haven't been able to replicate what NASA did way back in the 60s with a bunch of rulers, they still haven't gone beyond low earth orbit.

Their heavy rocket's best attempt got it empty into an unstable spinning Leo, and thanks to fucking musk it destroyed a launchpad, polluting kilometers around which I'm sure they cleaned up, right?

They're entire shtick was that they'd be super cheap and they're fucking expensive, even after everything they have done is basically funded by tax payers.

All that is steered by a lying narcissistic psychopath who now uses his crashing Twitter system to get a dictator elected. The guy is like trump, every second word out of his mouth is a lie. Seriously every project he coined was bullshit, every claim he made was bullshit, none of it happened. Hyperloop, anyone? It killed high speed rail, so yeeeeiii? Tesla's with rocket engines? Ballistic missiles to transport humans across the globe in 30 minutes? The boring company making tunnels 1000x cheaper? And SpaceX? We will be on Mars in ~~2016~~ ~~2018~~ ~~2020~~ ~~2022~~ ~~2024~~ 2026, for sure! They're still in Leo, which is the (relatively) easy part of getting humans to Mars....

ALL of it, bold lies.

So yeah, I honestly think that SpaceX is not really helping space exploration forward. I think it's 90% bloat aimed at getting as much money for musk as possible

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[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 49 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

The alternative needed to be NASA, slow, methodical, maximum safety, maximum consideration, with patents benefiting society instead of a private class of shareholders who see it as just another gift in their portfolio.

Instead, we gave away the future to reckless profiteers, and starved the correct, societal scale project of growing beyond our world that could have provided a sense of common purpose and accomplishment as Mercury and Apollo did, which given we're at each other's throats would have been useful.

We won't get anywhere with people like Musk or any other avarice obsessed profiteer at the wheel, only heartbreak in trusting human lives to them as they cut corners and overpromise their capability.

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[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 34 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I'll never buy one, and it's 66% because of him. The other 34% is the fact Tesla's are shit quality vehicles. Geico literally refuses to insure the cyber cuck. I didn't misspell that.

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[–] Alpha71@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I wonder how much longer it will be until the board of directors of the various companies he's involved in start a serious revolt and push to get him out of the company?

[–] ZDL@ttrpg.network 19 points 1 day ago

It won't happen. Ever since he got ousted from one of his companies he's structured his companies carefully so he can never be ousted again.

[–] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 days ago (19 children)

I'd buy an XPeng or a BYD or the like.

Well, good for you. Personally I'm not buying an internet connected Chinese car. If a car has the option of spying on you, and potentially be used in a hybrid attack, I'd prefer to get a car from a western manufacturer. And not Tesla either, Musk is too unstable and seems to be influenced by the same powers that has Trump's ball in a vise.

My current car is an internet connected EV, but it sure isn't Chinese or a Tesla.

[–] chakan2@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

China can spy on me. I feel safer with them having my info than Musk (Or if you really want to get in the weeds, GM or Ford who's happy to share that info with big insurance and law enforcement)

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

One is a totalitarian state who could unleash all its might on you if they wish; the other is still subject to rules and regulations despite being corrupt. I'd rather have Ford and GM spying on my information for corporate interest than a state who wants to micromanage every aspect of your life, thank you very much.

[–] chakan2@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Let's be real...those statements are true of both nations...the only thing that's different is the propaganda you listen to.

China will use my info to market me more and better cheap shit. The US will use my info in litigation or worse.

If China wants to launch a full scale assault, they could, and they'd win. They've got better tech these days and our number the US by like 10 to 1.

I'm less worried about China knocking on my door for political descent than I am of the US these days.

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[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ideally, no spying at all. My car just gets a radio and nothing else. My phone can be a GPS with a plastic piece that is stuffed in the air grill.

As someone living in the United States, China spying on me doesn't do much. I'm not really a target for them. My data is just sold to the highest bidder, often Facebook or Google to sell me more ads.

If the US government wanted me gone, I'd be gone in 2 days and Fox News and its brainwashed masses would say I deserved it since I never voted for Trump and didn't sing the pledge of alliance every day. If China wanted me gone, they'll have to work for it and it'd be front page news that would become an October surprise.

That's my main two things. As an American, I am impacted by American laws more than China or even Canada's or Mexico's laws. If China banned me (which they have and still do, I'm a queer anarchist) I'm not super impacted by it. If America banned me (I'm a queer anarchist, they've done it before) I need to go into hiding.

Does America want to kill me? Not intentionally, at least. I don't think there's a personal FBI man watching my webcam, seeing me type up the same shitty memes I tell my friends for a quick laugh as we play games. But if America start getting more cult-y with Trump and his ilk, I have to watch my back more than if China suddenly wanted the same body on their doorstep.

To be fair, the egregious provisions of the PATRIOT act which allows unilateral spying by the US government has not been renewed. But on the one hand, there have been cases of law enforcement agencies buying information from data brokers, which companies have sold to. The Chinese government different, they can straight up spy on you and question you at any time.

This thing isn't something that would personally affect me because here in Europe we have GDPR and the EU is consumer-friendly, but privacy is still I would be concerned of for other parts of the world.

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[–] expatriado@lemmy.world 135 points 3 days ago (3 children)

before i get sued by Elon for not buying Tesla, just wanted to say i was never a potential buyer

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[–] BigBenis@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Pretty much up until 2020 I was thinking about a Tesla for my first EV. In '22 the time came for a new car and I went with a different EV because Tesla's quality control has plummeted due to Elon's reckless leadership.

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[–] Stern@lemmy.world 78 points 3 days ago (4 children)

The best car

Teslas aren't even the best electric car. On top of that I would 100% want a Rivian over a cybertruck. Yeah goofy headlights... but better then a wholeass goofy body.

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