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They think, "Jesus was cool. I like him, and I'm gonna try to be like him." Kind of like their guiding light is what would Jesus do? But there isn't a focus on identification, recruiting others, judging others based on their religion, fear of God, fear of punishment for sinning, respect for clergy as an authority, rituals, worship, etc. Basically, just the example of Jesus' life.

inb4: Christian lol!! got em!

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[–] vxx@lemmy.world 2 points 43 minutes ago

I met a group that called themselves 'Jesus Freaks', but they were just annoying trying to indocrinate people on music festivals.

[–] Serpent@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

I thought that is kind of what Quakers are?

[–] mjhelto@lemm.ee 3 points 5 hours ago

Isn't this just the Golden Rule? I've tried to live like this everyday for 20 years, but it can be difficult in this day and age. Most people don't think like that. It's easy to hold the door for people or say thank you, but it's hard when you don't receive the same courtesy. Jokes on them, though, cause they'll burn in hell!

[–] Mango@lemmy.world 8 points 8 hours ago

I'd call you a fan. I'm a fan of Gandalf.

[–] Skates@feddit.nl 7 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Jeezie. Like Swiftie, but for fan fiction on the Hebrew Bible.

[–] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.autism.place 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I'm really going to use this. And when there is a dilemma that's easily solved by WWJD, it's gonna be easy Jeezy

[–] vxx@lemmy.world 1 points 45 minutes ago* (last edited 45 minutes ago)

Jeezy has a bit of a negative stigma since Kanye went full antisemite

[–] Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world 13 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

My Grandmother always called this sort of thing being a "red letter Christian". Basically like you take a highlighter to everything Jesus specifically did or said and discard the rest.

My Mom's family all followed this principle since like the 70's thus saving my trans ass from any hint of intergenerationally inflicted religious trauma so I am a fan. My 92 year old great uncle went to bat to fight for non-binary gender accommodations in his seniors home because one of his nurses is an enby who was getting a raw deal from a number of their paitents. Honestly, though I don't think the Christian God is what he says he is, his kid seems weird but as a rules for life kinda thing the results seem good. .

[–] shasta@lemm.ee 19 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

For context, in some versions of the Bible, the words of Jesus were printed in red font while the rest was black.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 4 points 5 hours ago

Interesting, I thought GamGam was just calling them whores

[–] Zos_Kia@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

From reading your post it seems like you could be interested by the Jesus movement (that is the jewish followers of Jesus, before catholicism was codified and adopted by the Romans as state religion). Everything that wasn't authoritarian fear-based catholic was branded as "gnostic heresy" and purged from the canon, but there's some real good shit that is very close to the core message of Christ.

A recent(-ish) example of gnostic christianity is catharism, which was a heresy that lasted for a few centuries in the South of France. They had no clergy, just a caste of ascetic wise men and women who would walk the land and dispense wisdom and judgement. Very egalitarian, very spiritual, very christ-like. As you can imagine, they got crushed in one of the rare "self-crusades" in history (meaning the King of France sent his own armies to burn down cities in his own country and murder thousands upon thousands of his own subjects). As you can imagine there is not one history teacher in France who will tell you about this episode.

[–] asmodee59@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I learned about it in school though

[–] Zos_Kia@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

where was that ? My hometown is like 20km from a city that was entirely burned down and had its population eradicated during the first Albigense crusade - i swear to God it was never mentioned to me. My parents hadn't ever heard of it either.

[–] asmodee59@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I'm from the north of France. I suppose it depends of the teacher. Nevermind I looked at the official program for middle age history and I did not see any mention of it.

[–] Zos_Kia@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 2 hours ago

Yeah it certainly depends on the teacher. If you're into that kind of history, Pacome from Blast made a gigantic episode about this in his "L'empire n'a jamais pris fin" series. One of the best youtube essays i've ever seen in French.

[–] bear@lemmynsfw.com 22 points 20 hours ago

You answered your own question because the literal term for a follower of Jesus Christ is in fact the word Christian lol got em.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 54 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Like uh... normal? Jesus, as described, seems like a pretty chill dude. It's christianity that gets into the crazy shit.

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 23 hours ago (11 children)

I take it you haven't read the book of John?

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 10 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah. There's some good stuff there, like 8:32*, but it's full of so much crap** that... urgh.

*"And you'll know the truth, and the truth will set you free."

**Give the whole chapter 5 a check, specially 5:14; crippling people is apparently their god's punishment for sinning. Or 3:36, someone gets really pissy if you don't believe him!

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I was thinking John 6 is pretty nuts tbh. There are a lot of problems with Christ, like how quiet and accepting he seemed about slavery, or how fragile he is about his ego and being respected as God, the central message of Christ is about his divinity, not about moral teachings. He threatened anyone who disagreed with his divinity with eternal damnation and so on. Just not the kind of person you would think of as a "chill dude", rather the description "crazy" comes to mind when I read the book of John especially.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 4 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

His moral teachings are irrelevant. It's like how when cops volunteer to do a charity car wash. Moral behaviour doesn't get you everlasting life.

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago (1 children)
[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 hours ago

not sure what you mean

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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 22 hours ago

Well, he explicitly condoned slavery, so...

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 8 points 18 hours ago

Agnostic or spiritual.

[–] EndOfLine@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

There is a lot of good messaging in the Bible, the Quran, the Torah, etc. You don't need to be religious to appreciate that. Just like how somebody who appreciates in the mission and words of The Amazing Randi does not need a special label.

The labels start to come into play when discussing your belief or disbelief in a god or gods.

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[–] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 9 points 20 hours ago

An enthusiast?

[–] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 4 points 18 hours ago

The Jesus fandom.

[–] TheDoozer@lemmy.world 6 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Do you need to be an -ian? Like, if you like the teachings of Ghandi, or Socrates, or Marcus Aurelius, you don't have to call yourself a Ghandian, or a Socratian, or an Aurelian. You just agree with their teachings.

I feel like you're just making a dig on Christians, and it's not like a lot of them don't deserve it, but what you're talking about isn't a religion. You don't need an -ian to like a philosophy.

[–] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.autism.place 4 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Nah, I don't need to identify. That's too restrictive. I'm looking for a shorter way to describe it when asked.

[–] pocker_machine@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

If there exits one, most probably next question to you would be “What is that ?” And then you give the long explanation.

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[–] Zikeji@programming.dev 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sounds like you're describing that you view how he is depicted as a good role model. I think the best way to describe it would just be "I'm atheist/agnostic/etc but view Jesus as a good role model" or something to that effect.

Or just lean into chaos and go with "Jesus is my role model" with no elaboration and let people make of it what they will.

Yes! I like this one. Thank you.

[–] mjsaber@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I use the term Atheistic Christian, which essentially means I believe in a lot of the teachings of Jesus, but I don't believe he was any kind of divinity.

[–] vzq@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

Not to be confused with “secular Christian”, which in popular parlance means “I hang around church for the community but I’m not spiritual”.

[–] LiamMayfair@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 20 hours ago

A Jesuit! Oh wait...

[–] _NetNomad@fedia.io 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_atheism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesuism

Neither are perfect because Christian Athiests includes people who are "culturally Christian" as that can include clergy as an authority and rituals, and Jesuism would include splinter religious groups and is very easily confused with the Catholic Jesuit order. hopefully it's a starting point though!

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[–] canitendtherabbits@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago

This describes me. I think about this often. The best I’ve come up with is Buddhist. Ultimately isn’t that what Christ taught?

[–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago (3 children)

What a coincidink, I just commented this on another thread.

The Thomas Jefferson bible might be up your alley. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Bible

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[–] MissJinx@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago

So you have your faith but don't subscribe to crazy rules writen by men that have nothing to do with the faith?!

I would call you "Intelligent"

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