Israel strikes Gaza tower as death tolls jump after Hamas attack (www.aljazeera.com)

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At least 198 Palestinians killed in Israeli air raids; Hamas attack kills 70 Israelis, ‘big number’ also captured.

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[-] Hikingbirdingdying@kbin.social 55 points 8 months ago

This is what happens when everyone turns a blind eye to apartheid governments.

[-] Landrin201@lemmy.ml 26 points 8 months ago

No this is what happens when terrorists overwhelm a border crossing and stsrt indiscriminately murdering civilians, then carry their mutilated bodies around as literal flags as they celebrate the murder in the street

[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 40 points 8 months ago

I assume you've been just as outraged and outspoken about atrocities carried out by the IDF?

Is killing civilians fine as long as they don't do it too "barbarically" for you?

Should Palestinians just lay back and continue to let the settlers take what little of their homeland they have left? They're being genocided. They're fighting back in whatever way they're capable

[-] Titan@beehaw.org 19 points 8 months ago

Yeah this happens daily in Palestine. Suddenly people care what happens over there? Gimme a break

[-] Landrin201@lemmy.ml 16 points 8 months ago

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[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 19 points 8 months ago

It seems your issue isn't that civilians are dead, but that you are actually paying attention and seeing it now that it's happening to the colonizers. When it happens in Gaza you don't pay attention to the images, you don't empathize with the families destroyed.

But now there's a relatively (to all that the IDF has done) small attack from Palestine and suddenly it's front page news everywhere.

[-] sludge@beehaw.org 16 points 8 months ago

"This is WELL beyond anything that Israel has done in the last few decades. Civilians killed during military actions in Gaza are not even remotely similar to this" why? they're still dead.

[-] kurcatovium@lemm.ee 3 points 8 months ago

Exactly. They're dead. In the end it doesn't even matter how they died, they're just dead. Is one way worse? Yes, but the result is still horrific. They. Are. Dead. Noone can take it back. Does it make worse that crowd applauds the killing? Yes. But same goes for the Israeli crowd (like the one in Kneset) applauding killing terrorist together with their families and children...

The older I am the more disgusted of all the war pigs and warmongers I am. As a teen I scoffled at hippies and their beliefs, today I'd shake their hands. Fuck war, fuck killing, fuck war pigs.

[-] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 18 points 8 months ago

And there goes power to Gaza.

[-] alyaza@beehaw.org 34 points 8 months ago

yep. Energy Minister Yisrael Katz has signed an order instructing the Israel Electric Corporation to halt the supply of electricity to the Gaza Strip. i suspect this is the beginning of many, many punitive measures to come as reprisal

[-] Landrin201@lemmy.ml 24 points 8 months ago

Punitive reprisals to... The open declaration of war Hamas made today?

Who in their right mind expects a country to supply power to the country that literally just attacked them?

[-] alyaza@beehaw.org 65 points 8 months ago

the primary reason Hamas has political power and the political support to attack Israel in this manner is because Israel:

treats all Palestinians as second-class citizens and subjects them to a system of political, social, and economic apartheid
holds millions of Palestinians in squalid and inhuman conditions, and seizes the territory of millions more in the name of a violent settler project
subjects the vast majority of Palestinians to state-sponsored discrimination, terror, indiscriminate bombing, and political violence
leaves Palestinians no feasible democratic path to the rights they should have in their current state or the state of Israel, making armed struggle inevitable

you can and should condemn Hamas, but it is inarguable that Israel routinely does worse—overwhelmingly to people just as innocent as the ones Hamas is murdering—which is what makes attacks like this inevitable. you cannot do what Israel does and not expect the outcome to be violence, and it is incumbent on Israel, who holds all the actual power in this dynamic, to break the cycle and stop using every terrorist attack perpetuated against it as an excuse to roll innocent heads.

[-] Landrin201@lemmy.ml 11 points 8 months ago

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[-] UngodlyAudrey@beehaw.org 62 points 8 months ago

Criticism of the actions of Israel's government does not make one an antisemite.

[-] newtraditionalists@beehaw.org 7 points 8 months ago

So glad to see this sentiment supported on beehaw. It's a shame that people equate the two.

[-] alyaza@beehaw.org 44 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Cool so I respond to an antisemite saying that Israel refusing to supply power to a state that just declared war on it is punitive, and your response was to say it’s Israel’s fault.

i mean, yeah. Netanyahu is saying he's going to basically reduce Gaza to rubble when 99% of Gazans are innocents and can't leave Gaza because Israel is blockading them. Israeli bombs have killed far more innocents than actual terrorists in the Strip as seen in my citation. this is the exact behavior that allows Hamas to thrive. Israel, as a state, has the power to not do this and to seek more productive options—but does it anyways because it simply doesn't care about the humanity of Palestinians and considers all of them acceptable collateral damage in killing Hamas members.

[-] admin@beehaw.org 31 points 8 months ago

Name-calling (accusing someone of being an antisemite) is NOT nice. We have one rule, here at Beehaw, to be(e) nice. This is your only warning. Enjoy your seven day vacation from Beehaw.

[-] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 3 points 8 months ago

Would be good to just defederate lemmy.ml

[-] Scary_le_Poo@beehaw.org 24 points 8 months ago

This take is braindead enough that you should probably delete your account. That shit is just straight up embarrassingly bad.

[-] library_napper@monyet.cc 2 points 8 months ago

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