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The bottom of the article links to the history (individual features) of other IM programs from that era as well like ICQ and Yahoo Messenger.

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[–] korthrun@lemmy.sdf.org 249 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Microsoft pivoted to Skype. Saved you a click and reading about 1000 words.

[–] orclev@lemmy.world 49 points 4 days ago (6 children)

Which Microsoft then shit all over (to be fair, Skype started that process even before MS bought them) and eventually renamed it to Microsoft Teams.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 38 points 4 days ago (5 children)

And for a while, there was also Skype for Business (formerly Lync (formerly Communicator)).

[–] orclev@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Yeah that was part of the brand reshuffling they did to obfuscate things. Lync was their shitty chat app they tried to convince businesses to use that everyone hated. They bought Skype, renamed it to Microsoft Teams, renamed Lync to Skype for Business, and killed MSN Messenger. When people still didn't want to use ~~Lync~~Skype for Business, then they killed that as well, and now it's just MS Teams.

[–] caoimhinr@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Fun fact any developer working with the api can tell you, there is a clear distinction between de voip bit and the meeting/chat bit. They haven't bothered rewriting or integrating it in any way so the Skype for business backend is still very much alive.

[–] greybeard@lemmy.one 21 points 3 days ago

Another fun fact: On the backend, Teams uses SharePoint to store files, and Exchange to store message. The whole M365 stack is a house of cards built on ancient tech. It's a wonder it works at all.

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[–] Scrollone@feddit.it 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'm so old that I used Skype when it had a red logo.

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Actually, to Lync first. Then Teams. All three suck.

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[–] auzy@lemmy.world 22 points 4 days ago

Yep. I hate clickbait. You're a legend

[–] Oaksey@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

Messenger-> Office Communicator -> Lync -> Skype for Business -> Teams. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skype_for_Business

[–] moonbunny@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Microsoft Teams is sorta like the all grown up version of MSN, with the colour drained from it and “fun” features out of the box feeling dead on the inside

Just like a real adult human

[–] dumbass@leminal.space 6 points 2 days ago
[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 37 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I might have been 10 minutes too young for ICQ. I think that's what the college kids were playing with when I was in high school. For my cohort it was the big three: MSN, Yahoo! and AIM. You probably had all three installed on your computer and probably all running at once. They're probably why my entire generation can touch type. Vital tool for teenage social life at the turn of the century.

This was Microsoft's era, too. The main reason Apple survived the 90's was because Microsoft invested in them to counter anti-trust allegations. They paid Apple to keep existing so they couldn't be called a monopoly. Internet Explorer was the web browser, any others in use were a rounding error. No one had a Mac, a few people were still clinging to their Amigas. THE platform for personal/home computing and internet access was a Pentium PC with Windows ME or XP, which came with MSN Messenger out of the box.

Two things happened nearly simultaneously: Facebook Messenger and the iPhone. Graduating high school in 2005, your freshman year of college you probably started hearing about the cool new site that's kinda like MySpace except it's only for college kids. By your junior year all your new college friends were on Facebook and all your old high school friends that never logged on let alone talk to you were on MSN. And if you graduated in 2005, your junior year was in 2007, the year the iPhone was launched. MSN Messenger had been present as baked in "functions" of certain media phones at the time, but I don't think they ever made it to the App Store or even the Play Store on Android. Facebook was fast to adopt mobile apps, and for awhile there it was the one messenger service that interoperated between desktop on a web browser and smart phones across platforms. SMS didn't run on the desktop, iMessage is Apple-only, AIM, MSN and Yahoo were nowhere to be found and Telegram, Signal, Discord etc. weren't around yet. So everyone standardized on Facebook Messenger.

Meanwhile, Microsoft bought and ruined Skype.

[–] radicalautonomy@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I think that’s what the college kids were playing with when I was in high school.

Started college in 1995, and I indeed did have ICQ before too long. Still remember my number (6725571).

You probably had all three installed on your computer and probably all running at once.

I remember using a program called Trillian (which is still around!) in the late 90s/early 00s. It allowed you to connect multiple IM accounts in one app. It was sorta finicky, but it got the job done.

[–] XaiwahBlue@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 3 days ago (8 children)

I haven't thought of those apps for years, I used Pidgin! I had to look up the program name.

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[–] ouRKaoS 6 points 3 days ago (4 children)

As a diehard Netscape Navigator user, I scoff at your browser choice.

The running joke in my day was everyone used Internet Explorer... to download Netscape.

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[–] tehn00bi@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (3 children)

That’s ok, we have teams now

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

give me back messenger. at least it was a cohesive usable app.

teams is just a low budget email emulation machine that still fails to deliver a functioning inbox, much like outlook.

I'd rather drag my dick through HIV riddled discord memes then use that rotting pile of shit called teams.

[–] viking@infosec.pub 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The browser versions of teams and outlook are surprisingly stable. The desktop software for both are beyond broken.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I agree, though stability doesn't make an app usable.

[–] viking@infosec.pub 2 points 2 days ago

True, but it's the only thing you can do if your company forces you to use them...

[–] SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago

Fuck all y'all....I like teams, for work.

[–] meneervana@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago
[–] uninvitedguest@lemmy.ca 51 points 4 days ago (5 children)

I'm surprised no one mentioned Facebook.

I recall using MSN as far as in to 2009, but the friends I was connected with migrated to Facebook when their chat feature rolled out.

[–] m4m4m4m4@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

From my ignorant point of view Microsoft had in its very own hands a solid competitor to Facebook but ended doing absolutely nothing with it.

I still can recall the MSN/Hotmail profiles - it was kind of a news feed that recorded all your statuses from MSN (or you could add your own there). Your contacts could add comments on those. I seem to recall at some point you could add posts with pictures too.

But all of that just disappeared when they ditched MSN.

They could've beat Facebook in its own game easily, as they had the advantage of their huge userbase - but somehow they missed on that too.

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[–] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 47 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Anyone remember the short-lived Great War of the Messenger Apps? For a few months back around... '98? '99? MSN tried really hard to shoehorn its way into working with AIM. About every day there would be an update from MSM Messenger to allow it to work with AIM. Then AOL would fuck with their own protocol to ice out MSN users again.

I think these shenanigans also impacted the Trillium Messenger app too, which up until then had been flying under the radar of messenger interoperability.

I might be getting some of these details wrong.

[–] tias@discuss.tchncs.de 37 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (6 children)

And then Jabber came to fix it by introducing an open protocol, and Google started supporting it, and all was well. But when everybody was using Google Chat they severed the Jabber compatibility, locking everyone in to their platform. Now we're back wading around in enshittified shit and Jabber is dead.

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Trillium

Trillian, not trillium. And they're actually still around.

[–] ShunkW@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago (7 children)

I used that until they pay walled it. Then I found Pidgen I believe it was called. It was open source and could connect to pretty much every messenger and IRC and stuff. Then my friend just switched to texting lol

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[–] Jackthelad@lemmy.world 28 points 4 days ago (4 children)
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[–] CaptainBasculin@lemmy.ml 20 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It was very popular within my friends up until the skype merger. At that point they went "i aint usin skype lmao"

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[–] sirico@feddit.uk 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Wonder who was the last of your friends to log on are they still there?

[–] RedditWanderer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In a way, i think we're all still there

[–] Toribor@corndog.social 1 points 1 day ago

Where else am I going to share the fun stuff I find with StumbleUpon?

[–] CrunkBy@lemmy.world 20 points 4 days ago (8 children)

well, the same as the others really: Time.

I think once SMS and phone apps became the norm over having Messenger apps on our Desktops all the time, that was pretty much it for these applications over all. It was a long, slow death. But MSN was one of the firsts to call it quits if I recall right. Oddly the IM app I liked the most. It's just not many of my friends used it. They were all AIM/AOL users.

[–] fahfahfahfah@lemmy.billiam.net 22 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

The one thing these messengers had over texts was presence notifications. I remember jumping through hoops to get aim working on my Motorola v188 so that I could be notified every time my crush came online and I could send her a “hey what’s going on”… only for it to be ignored.

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[–] MY_ANUS_IS_BLEEDING@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago

WhatsApp (& mobile internet in general) replaced it for me. It's no longer a requirement for both my friends and myself to be at our computers at the same time to talk shit to each other.

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