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[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 15 points 4 hours ago

Not only do US companies pay the tariff but they pass it on to their customers and other countries or on counter tarrifs on US products.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 14 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

This is definitely fake, but it's tremendously funny so I choose to believe it's real

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 hours ago

This is definitely fake, but [...] I choose to believe it's real

2024 election in a nutshell

[–] peetabix@lemmy.world 24 points 7 hours ago

This is what happened in the UK with Brexit.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 14 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Drawbacks of living in a country where half the people are dumbshits. It's the new normal and we better get used to it. When you are out in public doing anything, look around. Roughly half the people you see are fucking idiots.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 10 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Half seems optimistic, especially because of how many people didn't bother to vote

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

The association of anally sourced statistics estimates the portion to be closer to 75%.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 6 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

The New York Times - which has about as much credibility as the AASS - says it's 92.5%

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 6 hours ago

I see you're also an AASS man!

[–] nicgentile@lemmy.world 9 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Does anyone know if we are paying tariffs for face eating leopards? I can foresee high demand.

[–] Noodle07@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

I'm taking options on the rise of leopard stock, imma be rich

[–] ATDA@lemmy.world 42 points 10 hours ago

Just read estimates his tariffs would cost the average household 7600 annually. I told my folks and they didn't understand why I thought it was funny. I told them they wanted this.

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 25 points 10 hours ago

It’s like Brexit, but in America.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 50 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

I posted a meme last week before the election about a lot of my fellow Americans being depressingly ignorant and a bunch of people got pissed off about it.

I'm just saying...

[–] VerdantSporeSeasoning@lemmy.ca 9 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah, a lot has been said about why the 'Democrats' failed; sure they were/are imperfect.

Where are the articles bemoaning our stupid and/or mean citizens who have no curiosity and think being obstinate will work like a time machine? I'm frustrated to hell with apathy of my countrymen.

[–] westyvw@lemm.ee 3 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

And the huge shift right by male GenZ people. Reading posts by them specifically today: they felt marginalized by democrats and ignored. They felt like Maga cared about them, and they could belong in the Republican party. And some of them simply wanted revenge and to feel powerful.

Now this isn't everyone, but I gotta say:

WTF are you doing thinking about feelings? And fitting in? Look at the damn effects your choice is going to make based on "feelings". That group is going to lose consumer protection, worker protection and safety, medical coverage, relief on college tuition, housing subsidies, debt relief, small business loans. What they gain is higher prices, worse infrastructure, and possibly the nastiest thing of al:l the direct path of their income going to the wealthiest people and perpetuating generational wealth for the very few.

Because they wanted to "feel" like they were seen and heard as men. You got played!

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 7 points 9 hours ago

"Democrats" is too vague to be meaningful in this discussion. I do put a lot of blame on the DNC organization for deenergizing their base, but also the working class for not understanding basic economics and being taken by a carpet bagger.

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[–] pinkystew@reddthat.com 14 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

Does Trump not know what a tariff is? Or does he know, and he is deliberately misleading his followers?

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 14 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

He likely understands what a tariff is well enough. His problem is that he either doesn't understand the implications or chooses not to communicate that part to voters.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 13 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

He understands tariffs in his terms - that "tariffs" is a useful word to trick people into doing what he wants. How tariffs work in the real world is irrelevant to him, the word gets him what he wants, and that's all he needs from tariffs.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

except he "renegotiated" nafta and is now threatening mexico with tariffs. He's a childlike negotiator playing geopolitics backed by like 5 giant media conglomorates and silicon valley guys who reinvent busses and trains every 5 years.

The reality is the crypto people are going to stash their crypto as the economy tanks intent on living like millionaires. Then the big money will cash out and crash that market leaving all the small holders in the dust.

[–] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 hours ago

Trump understands tariffs, as far as they sound fancy and like a threat to foreigners, his followers understands it even less. Using fancy words make you sound authoritative. Trump's followers like authoritarian leaders.

[–] Malfeasant@lemm.ee 2 points 7 hours ago

In general, I say why assume malevolence when ignorance explains it as well... Trump is an exception to that rule.

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[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 60 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

Maybe it's because I took economics as far back as high school, but even just from reading high school history books I knew what a Tariff was. How the FUCK did they not know that?

I am also willing to bet that they will eventually blame the democrats for breaking the system, as they always do.

[–] BrokenGlepnir@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago

Maybe thr PA education system didn't include things like the great depression

[–] minibyte@sh.itjust.works 29 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (5 children)

There’s a fair portion of people 21+ that have difficulty playing blackjack because they can’t add to 21. Last night I was asked by a grown man what 9+1+3 is.

You’d be surprised how incompetent some people are.

[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 11 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (2 children)

Holy shit. I never put this together.

Last time I was at a casino I kept asking myself: who honestly thinks any of this is a good idea, or thinks that any of these are "games" in the conventional sense? Now I know.

Edit: I have also been confronted with people that simply cannot do addition, period. It's wild.

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 5 points 9 hours ago

Funny you should mention a casino. Remember when Donald Trump bankrupted multiple casinos? That is actually quite impressive given how often casinos attract people even during recessions as they get stressed and desperate.

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[–] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 6 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

Even if you're competent at arithmetic in school, those skills can definitely atrophy. I say this as someone who's unreasonably slow at basic arithmetic despite being an ex-mathlete; I got complacent because I've been learning and using graduate level maths, so I thought that would keep me from getting rusty. Nope — it turns out that basic arithmetic that you'd use in daily life is a different "muscle" to the kind of maths you use in academic research (which is obvious in hindsight)

I can't imagine how much I'd be struggling if I didn't have a good foundation to be starting from

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[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 17 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I worked in customer service for 7 years. I am aware... so very aware...

To give you an idea, when I worked for Verizon mobile, it was a few times a week that I came across a client who did not know how to hang up their cellphone calls. No joke. It took such a while to get them off the hook it wasn't funny. And if you ask me why I wouldn't hang up on them, it was because Verizon had a strict no hang-up policy. You were not allowed to hang up on a client no matter what. It was grounds for immediate termination.

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[–] veganpizza69@lemmy.world 10 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (3 children)

One thing that fascinates me is that Trump's definition of tariffs seems more like the definition of kickbacks.

As he was (is?) a landlord, he may also think of it as seeking rent, like how malls get rent from the stores inside.

[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 8 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

As a foreign asset, I think Trump is just actively performing a proxy war to drain the US of money, power, and resources for Russia. If you think he's going to be doing anything else - lol.

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[–] cultsuperstar@lemmy.world 42 points 13 hours ago (7 children)

Some companies have already said they're going to pass the extra cost onto consumers, so while the companies will pay more, they'll make a lot of that back from the consumers that can still afford the products.

Electronics will probably be the hardest hit, with prices of cell phones, laptops, and game consoles increasing quite a bit.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 24 points 12 hours ago

Low inflation statistics have been helped significantly by cheaper electronics. So everybody who voted Trump to lower inflation is in for a surprise.

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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 45 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

This tells me the information pipe to voters is broken, and hacked.

People live in their own social media realities. There has always been ignorance, but it's never been so widely personalized. And Trump and the GoP played it like a fiddle.

And just watch, the Dems are going to learn precisely nothing from this and campaign like it's the 1950s again, thinking policy was their problem.

[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Silicon valley: Here is a device that makes it possible to exchange information to everyone, everywhere, immediately.

GOP: Oh, you mean I can disseminate anything I want? How about lies? That'd be neat.

Silicon valley: No, not like that.


One thing that I observed is that the right wing had/has the more progressive campaign, from a technology and media use standpoint. The DNC, on the other hand, was still more or less using the same moves they had back in the 1990's, relying on extinct concepts like the fairness doctrine, debate performance, and journalistic integrity of news outlets (fact-checks anyone?).

It's not just the Overton Window that has moved: our information diet has completely changed too. To win at politics today, the entire landscape has shifted to propaganda, bombast, showmanship, clickbait, and leading the 24/7 news cycle by the nose. You must be louder and more interesting than the other guy. I think it's possible to play that game ethically though, without disinformation, but what's clear is that billionaire-owned media isn't going to do it for you anymore.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 7 points 9 hours ago

Silicon Valley is laughing all the way to the bank enabling this.

They are the root cause, because no one told them they aren't allowed to rot brains with relentless engagement optimization. Modern politics would still be bad, but it wouldn't be so apocalyptic without the monsters they built.

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[–] veganpizza69@lemmy.world 9 points 10 hours ago

this looks truthy

[–] wabafee@lemmy.world 8 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Sometimes in order to learn something is bad you need to experience it.

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