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[–] Resonosity@lemmy.world 44 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Who said Lefts didn't vote for Harris?

Are you manufacturing this? Where are the exit polls?

Might a better reason for why Fascism won with this election be that Democrats, including Biden, Harris, the DNC, and the consulting class, failed to campaign to their own base, and even more than their base since most Americans, Dems and Reps, approve of progressive policies?

Projection man

[–] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 13 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Biden got ~81m votes in 2020, Harris only got ~67m. >14m fewer people voted for her.

Trump also dropped by ~2m, only getting ~72m this time around vs. ~74m in 2020.

Trump didn’t win because of a giant right-wing national shift, he won because of voter apathy on the left.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

There was certainly a right wing shift. The DNC did their very best (e.g. Cheney) to capture republican voters rather than represent the workers.

[–] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 7 points 6 days ago

You need to seperate out the political machine from the populace.

The DNC did make a right-ward play to try and peel centrist/moderate voters who identify as Republicans but didn’t necessarily want to vote for Trump. They did this on the (now we know false) assumption that their base would turn out automagically.

But again, Trump won with fewer votes this time around than he lost in 2020 to Biden with. He didn’t gain standing, the only reason he was victorious was because those left of centre failed to show up to the polls. Voter apathy doesn’t denote a right-wing shift; it denotes a shit political platform.

Voters are still voting rather progressively on state-wide ballot measures, the people haven’t gotten more conservative - despite what the (elite-owned) media narrative would have you believe. Every datapoint and infographic regarding voter demographics is based on %s of voters, rather than absolute demographics.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 7 points 6 days ago (2 children)

And you assume it's the left because? Not everyone who voted for Biden in 2020 was a leftist, and most weren't.

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[–] Resonosity@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I have to admit that I haven't delved into the exit polls and analyzed which social groups migrated right or not.

But one thing that's different about the 2024 election compared to 2020 is that COVID wasn't happening to the same degree. There were a ton more mail-in ballots 2020 due to social distancing, which helped both parties as a bump in votes.

Why use 2020 as a data point though? Why not 2016? Why not 2012 and 2008? Might those elections be slightly different because a 1-in-100-year pandemic wasn't happening?

If you compare those numbers, does the Dems' numbers compare to those elections?

I want to say someone on Lemmy already posted the numbers recently in one of these posts. From what I recall, Dems' votes returned close to pre-COVID levels albeit a degree lower, yet Reps' votes were above pre-COVID levels. Why?

Might the explanation be the societal shift towards the right?

And how can you not see the national shift to the right in how the Democrats speak to rallies and voters? We are considerably more right-wing as a country than ever in the recent decades. This election was a Republican primary with how Kamala ran on pre-Trump conservative values and policies.

Maybe apathy exists on the Left because it is increasingly the case that Democrats don't represent them anymore.

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[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 1 points 3 days ago

I think you overestimate the amount of left leaning people in the U.S.

[–] wpb@lemmy.world 20 points 6 days ago

I'm doing my part! I'm yelling at leftists on the internet!

[–] Seasm0ke@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago

Lmao lib shit tally:

Bullshit corporate media reference, check. Blaming the minority for the failure of the party, check Believing politics happens once every four years, check.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Yep, that's why I used my totally meaningless non-swingstate vote for Cornel West.

The libs aren't actually mad about how people voted because the vast majority of votes don't matter. They're mad about the thought crime. They're mad about being exposed as politicians without principles who aren't even good politicians. They're mad that people don't like their dear leader. Libs like to see themselves are genoius thought leaders of some grand nation instead of just capitalist shills enabling fascism.

[–] reddit_sux@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Maybe the left didn't vote because there was only right wing parties to vote from.

Extremely right wing - Republican

Slightly centre right - Democrats

[–] 6gybf@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 days ago

The oligarchs’ vision for ‘choice’

[–] inv3r510n@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I did my part. I voted third party because BOTH PARTIES SUPPORT A FASCIST REGIME COMMITTING GENOCIDE WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS WHILE OUR OWN PEOPLE GO HOMELESS

Cry about it libs! I bet going further right and further ignoring your base will win in 2028! Might as well run Liz Cheney while you’re at it!

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