I'm getting really fucking weary of seeing sentiments like, "being upset about someone scheduling a non-emergency dental appointment in the middle of the second largest covid wave is deranged" or "you're a selfish asshole for expecting your loved ones to do the bare fucking minimum to protect you" in discussions on masking or vaccine uptake

I know I'm not the only one disappointed in the growing anomie. Maybe we should operate more like c/vegan where everything from omnivore apologia to overt antiveganism (analogous to the above anti-precaution/anti-max/anti-vax-apologia) is forbidden, and posting/commenting as much gets you a ban?

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[–] sovietknuckles@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Maybe we should operate more like c/vegan where everything from omnivore apologia to overt antiveganism (analogous to the above anti-precaution/anti-max/anti-vax-apologia) is forbidden, and posting/commenting as much gets you a ban?

The !vegan@hexbear.net sidebar has lots of resources that lurkers can use to educate themselves before posting, but the !covid@hexbear.net sidebar does not. If the sidebar includes resources about dentist safety, moderating comments that express unfamiliarity with or opposition to those resources seems reasonable.

[–] whatnots@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

i saw someone share that covid.tips resource a while back that I think would also be good as a sidebar resource

[–] PaX@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Yes please

I don't remember Hexbears being this bad about COVID before :(

[–] sovietknuckles@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Hexbear has grown a lot in recent months, we have over 900 daily users now

[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

it feels less active than a few months ago for me, aside from the undying threads that stay at the top of main for ages, maybe my account is fucked up somehow

[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Have you considered changing from "active" to "hot". Also the other instances are tolerable since we defederated from the worst.

[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago

Hot is usually a desolate wasteland for me, most of my enjoyment is in the comments not the posts, which is a big part of the issue I think

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Nah you're right, I clear through the site in like half the time I used to (I use it to kill time at work so it has been obviously noticeable).

[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Do y'all stay local? I have nothing to back it up, but think more and more of our activity is happening over on federated comms.

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I sort by all but it's mostly local (with some lemmygrad thrown in). Checking the front page right now, 16/17 top posts in the last day are local (1 from lemmygrad), and 15/16 active posts are local (1 from lemmy.ml); 12/15 hot are local but I don't use hot sort much. I've blocked a lot of the low effort (federated) meme comms but those were mostly low activity with lots of votes IIRC.

[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago

The signs were already there with Barbenheimer discourse^TM^. How do you have strong opinions about those two films without seeing the two films and how do you see the two films if they weren't released on Netflix? Yep, you would totally have strong opinions of those two films after watching shitty pirated torrents and not, you know, jumping into the Covid death traps called movie theaters.

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Honestly it should justify a permaban from the entire site. That thread was absolutely pathetic.

[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago

Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm glad we had a spot to highlight the issue for those who aren't paying attention. Anyhow, this is just my vibes and not a real thought out analysis.

[–] grazing7264@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago

I agree

[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah definitely a "take note of which usernames are going treatlord on this person for venting about how bad it sucks to suffer through this pandemic that the systems that be have decided to pretend is not happening" situation. my mom tested positive like 2 days ago and I'm also very pissed

[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Wow, I'm really sorry. I hope you and your mum make it through OK.

[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago

So far it seems like a very mild case, thanks!

[–] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I don't know what liberalism is even supposed to mean in this context; surely any sort of Marxist or materialist analysis would tend to put the blame on the systemic forces shoving people into the orphan juicing machine, not on the individuals navigating the systems incompetently.

[–] dat_math@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

~~You~~ Someone else was deliberately undermining evidence-based precautionary advice regarding vaccines and masking, despite, apparently possessing the knowledge and tools to see that what you were dispensing was at best merely dismissive of individual efforts towards harm reduction in their own lives, and at its worst, simply harmful advice.

To be aware of one's own mistakes and yet make no attempt to correct them, taking a liberal attitude towards oneself. This is an eleventh type.

edited: sorry, I'm losing my mind and conflated you with another user

[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago

Did you confuse them for someone else?

[–] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

You were deliberately undermining evidence-based precautionary advice regarding vaccines and masking

Yes, as evidenced by the fact that I stated I masked everyday in a KN95, spray ELAH in my nostrils twice daily, and have every vaccine I am eligible for.

Look you don't get to pretend everyone who has a different take on the morality of individual covid precautions is undermining the science of individual covid precautions. I was arguing with a colleague in March 2020 about the efficacy of the N95 I was wearing to the store because "CDC said there's no evidence those help", I'm not about to take accusations of mask efficacy minimization from you seriously.

[–] dat_math@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I 100% conflated you and another user. I'm so sorry for my aggression. Everything about covid, especially seeing people here doing what I erroneously accused you of has really been eroding my sanity.

[–] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago

No worries, that whole thing was a mess.

Cheers!

[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

OP of that post was also not actually blaming his partner, it was a vent post, a way to air frustrations that are not worth or appropriate to do more than that for. It is extremely silly to frame it this way, like he sat down and ran the numbers and its all his partners fault, thats not the kind of post it was

[–] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I mean I read the following

She's also sorry, and I say it's fine because I want her to feel better and recover, but secretly I'm fucking raging.

As raging at her. That's what it seems to convey to me. If not, then yeah, disregard me.

[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

I am fairly sure that its more along the lines of "fucking raging" at the 7th red light in a row on your 40 minute commute when you just want to be home after a double shift

Not like baying for blood, but like, GAAHH. I imagine the person who wrote that post spent exactly as long thinking of what words to use there as they took to type them out, it wasn't an effort post

I could also be wrong, but this is hexbear and we're supposed to assume good faith, especially in the context of an emotional vent post

[–] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah, I guess in that case I agree that the person calling him an asshole went to far in that sense, automatically assuming the worst case scenario and going on the attack.

[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Yeah, there's several of those responses now in that thread and they piss me way off.

Im definitely with you that the healthier perspective is not to blame the person but the system that has inflicted this, while being as supportive as possible with prophylactics/ strategies etc, but thats the rational response, I'd be pissed at my partner too internally even while fully rationally aware that its silly to feel that way, but I wouldn't not feel that way inside a little lol

[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Not like baying for blood, but like, GAAHH. I imagine the person who wrote that post spent exactly as long thinking of what words to use there as they took to type them out, it wasn't an effort post

Literally thank you. I thought of putting an edit under the post, but we're all grown ups. I just needed a space to unload my feelings when unloading on my partner wasn't helpful.

[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago

Care-Comrade

[–] Melina@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This post is getting popular

This community exists for the few of us left who genuinely still care about the virus’ impact on humanity and we are not ones who disregard prioritizing our health and the health of our loved ones.

This is a space to share research, to educate and to be educated with the little resources we have available to us, however we feel about this virus shouldn’t concern you and if you want to ignore the virus and pretend it doesn’t exist go ahead and do that but we won’t back down from trying to protect you or tell you how dangerous Covid is, we are still living in a pandemic.

Do not come here for a fight because you will be banned immediately.

[–] DengistDonnieDarko@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago

Thank you for your service rosa-salute

[–] whatnots@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago

yeah like we hear enough of that rhetoric irl i don't think it has a place in c/covid

[–] Walk_On@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Very telling that most of the people bashing OP in the other thread are new here and probably aren’t aware of c/covid and the culture this site has about taking COVID seriously.

[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Yeah, I've bit my tongue a few times outside c/covid lately about people angry at being judged for not masking, and it's almost always been newer accounts.

[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago

The critics were using slurs, saying they rarely mask, and making common cause with libs from other instances. Thanks to the mods for cleaning stuff up.

[–] FishLake@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

(Edit: The way I originally wrote this comment came off as apologetics. I’m not changing it for sake of authenticity. Please note at the outset that I’m speaking from the perspective of preserving community health while taking as much precautions as one is able to. I’m not making an argument for individual actions to mitigate COVID being enough.)

The whole getting made at scheduling a non-emergency dental appointment thing is a little strange to me. There’s a lot to be mad at, but people still need to receive healthcare. Of course you should take as many precautions as possible. You can insist your provider wear an n95 and take other precautions. You can even lie and say you live with a severely immunocompromised person. Hopefully your provider will understand your concerns and work with you.

I’m gonna use one of liberals’ favorite words here in sec, but hear me out. Insisting people postpone healthcare, even routine healthcare like your annual dental appointment, seems counterproductive. Not in a social sense that saying so can make people take a reactionary stance, “How dare you tell me what to do and when to go to the doctor.” More in the sense that routine, preventative care is essential for community health.

I’m probably wrong somewhere in my analysis. I’ve definitely not thought this all the way through. Any other perspectives are appreciated.

(Edit again: I figured out what was bothering me about the being mad about making a non-emergency dental appointment thing so much. It’s just really American take. Kinda assumes that dental care is somehow separate from healthcare, and moreover that preventative care is less important than emergency care.)

[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I'm trying hard not to re-litigate an post that the mods locked, but come on. People are quoting people who are quoting me. "Making a non emergency dental appointment" was not the issue.

[–] FishLake@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Absolutely no shade directed at you. Please don’t think I’m trying to say that your feelings weren’t/aren’t justified. It’s horrible some of the things said to you in that thread (and at your partner as well to be honest). I was trying to analyze the intersection of COVID consciousness and other preventative healthcare, and did it poorly.

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I've been saying it for four years, the virus doesn't give a fuck about your politics, you're not owning anyone, you're just shaving decades off your lifespan, which I guess technically means you're owning yourself

If we were a sane society, people not practicing safe covid precautions should receive an ass-whooping, because it would count as self-defense

[–] FishLake@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 9 months ago

I think the virus really likes capitalism. It’s done a lot for it.

[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago

Agreed. Unmask a Liberal and a Fascist will try to sell you on a Eugenics of apathy and, "Well, actually."

[–] farting_weedman@hexbear.net 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

lol my other comment was removed for being vague and looking for a fight, so, ahh, let me be clear:

I’m sure instituting a hard line that gets people banned from the checks notes safe space for Covid related discussion will make it easy to correct misinformation and keep people safe.

I am not looking for a fight, but what’s the point of having a Covid discussion com if you gotta uphold a line and can’t ask dumb questions?

Or am I mistaken and this com is only for what seems like in a weird way the inverse of Covid trutherism?

[–] wopazoo@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago

Nobody's getting banned for asking dumb questions, but if you come here to scold people for not licking doorknobs, you are getting banned.

What's your objection to the term "safe space"? This is a genuine question. Is it the wrong term?