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Hey everyone, I've removed bans for everyone that did not request one in the previous admin thread. (I think. If you got banned and I didn't restore your account yet, let me know and I'll fix it.) Don't worry! We're not gonna just ban people for no reason.

In case anyone hasn't seen it yet, Alaskaball confirmed that Sangria was their admin alt. They were messing around with their admin tools on their own account and figured it would be seen as a funny bit, but without being informed of the bit many of the mods and admins were just as shocked, confused, and appalled as you were. I've talked to the other admins and mods, and we're all gonna take it easy on bits for a bit. (Pun intended. This is the last one, I promise.)

If you're afraid that there's been an infiltration of transphobic, egomaniacal wrecker mods who hate the users, I want to assure you that's absolutely not the case. The overwhelming majority of mods and admins on this site are trans. Our admins are all trusted, long-time users in good standing. We regularly browse, comment, and post on our main accounts. You post and chat with us daily as comrades, and we value all of you. You may not recognize the usernames on our admin accounts because we regularly swap the alts used for admin privileges. This is why you'll see really old or unused alt accounts as well as really new accounts on the admin team.

I've seen a lot of speculation down below, some entertaining, some upsetting. We absolutely do not accept transphobia or any form of bigotry on this site. Some of the statements provided by mods and admins have been seen as transphobic and bioessentialist. I want to offer some transparency, but also clarify that I can't get much more specific on this for personal security reasons.

During the earlier discussions on how we felt things could be improved with these communities, multiple trans mods and admins described their reasoning in favour of the change by expressing with a variety of wording that it's the [he/him] demographic in particular that has been the source of toxic and troubling behavior in the tanks. That the he/hims haven't been beating the accusations, so to speak. With that group being largely cishet white guys on this site, these two terms were assumed to roughly correlate. We weren't making prepared statements for release, the comments that got posted here were paraphrased and combined from more casual comments made by trans people, in the mod chat to mostly other trans people about some of the chauvinistic and ironically bigoted posting habits that they saw as alienating and unhealthy for the site, and what we could do to improve the situation. We genuinely didn't foresee the potential for a miscommunication of those statements as being bioessentialist, and want to extend our sincerest apologies for the misunderstanding.

Edit: Please feel welcome to post in c/gossip as you would have posted in the_dunk_tank, and in c/counterpropaganda as you would have posted in the_dredge_tank.

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[–] m532@hexbear.net 33 points 1 month ago (5 children)

This is what I wrote about zoomerists fake selfcrit post before I hit post and realized it had been cowardly deleted by creator

I read your whole post and came to the conclusion that you are a privileged liberal with extreme amounts of projection.

This is in the wrong comm. This isn't selfcrit, this is dredge material.

First you project your privilege onto all of us, then you do copious amounts of concern trolling and strawmanning.

You think the workers in the imperial core are redeemable, that's where your liberal brainworms are coming from. Almost every worker in the imperial core earns more money than the ones outside it. They have a material reason to support imperialism. They may be your comrades but that's because you are an imperialist liberal.

Then you suddenly want to decide how the comms you hate are named and run. Are you our emperor? Certainly seems like it, with how you talk over all the marginalized comrades who were deeply hurt by tc69 because of your liberal "protect the marginalized (but don't listen to what they actually want)" shit.

[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 32 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

That mod had the nerve to post it in selfcrit where the entire post was her justifying her actions. It wasn't even a nonapology. She might as well could've titled her post "why I was completely justified and you misanthropic losers ain't shit," which would at least be honestly titled.

Beyond embarrassing for all of us for her to rant about "privileged first-worlders" only for MohammedTheCommunistPalestinian to pop up and say, "uh, I'm from the West Bank."

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[–] Venat@hexbear.net 30 points 1 month ago

That post was so bizarre.

ZL gave the impression that she spearheaded this controversy of forcing the comm changes, insulting and humiliating the entire user base, and then hid behind Carcosa.

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[–] Frank@hexbear.net 32 points 1 month ago

Suggestion for effortposting for the next little while:

Sometimes when i'm upset or just need time to work out if what i'm saying is what i want to be saying i'll open a text document, write down what i want to say, save it, then come back to it a few days later once i've had time to sleep and process and then re-examine it. I find it can be helpful.

[–] WIIHAPPYFEW@hexbear.net 32 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (7 children)

Oh shit TransCom really did delete hir account ~~and go into witness protection in Belmont Shore to become a kitesurfer~~

mystery-emote

ALL WE HAD TO DO WAS HOLD A POLL ON WHAT TO RENAME DUNK

CAN WE JUST WRAP THIS UP BY THE END OF THE NIGHT GODDAMN

I mean I know it’s simmering down but STILL you know we’ve gotta sort ourselves out when that’s all it takes to fuck over the site government

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[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 31 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Okay so when will the tanks be reopened?

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[–] Karma_404@hexbear.net 31 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Maybe someone should consider doing effort post after things have calmed down a bit on how everything that can went wrong, did went wrong in the stupidest struggle session yet.

Just keeping a record of hexbear week where decade happened and perhaps to look back and laugh on the dumbness of it all in the future.

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[–] PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net 30 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

I have what is hopefully my last thought on this. I think there should be a steering committee of people on major website decisions and I think that group should included interested posters in good standing who apply, and not exclusively mods/admins. It could be a standing body or one convened specifically for major decisions. I think there are a lot of people who don't necessarily have the time or temperament to be mods but who could provide meaningful input and it would help break down the opposition between the mods (evil, cabal) and the posters (beautiful, pure, light itself).

[–] CARCOSA@hexbear.net 33 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I am working on creating a matrix space that would be where all site proposals are posted, discussed and voted on. This space could also be where feedback and mod action appeals can be posted. Discussion regarding each proposal, appeal, or feedback would be within a thread under the top-level message.

It is open to join for anyone, the history of the channel can be seen and voted on, however only people that verify their hexbear account can send messages.

This is very much a work in progress and may change in the next couple of week but our priority is to change things to improve transparency/user engagement in the steering of the site

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