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[โ€“] Emerald@lemmy.world 9 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

I always thought about how interesting it is that handing things to people is so reliable. We just kind of know exactly when the other person has grabbed something enough for us to let go.

[โ€“] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 11 points 7 hours ago

And then there's the rare moment when you think they have it so you let go and it falls to the floor ๐Ÿ˜ญ

[โ€“] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 32 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (3 children)

I always imagine it more like neural networks. simply based on a lot of training and experience. As an example think of times when you step onto a non moving escalator. Your mind definitely knows its not moving but you still can't defeat the trained expectation of jerk.

[โ€“] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

Have you ever swiped on your phone, but the screen doesn't move (due to end of content, or unknowingly being an unswipable screen), and you feel your eyes jerk automatically in reflex, predicting the movement that didn't happen?

[โ€“] JackbyDev@programming.dev 17 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

My brain is like a neural network? No way...

[โ€“] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 8 points 12 hours ago

more like neural networks are maybe like your brain? dunno not an expert, just a feeling

[โ€“] PsychedSy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Layered as well. Little bits process very specific things and simplify it for the beast.

[โ€“] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Take shrooms and watch as the divisions between the little bits break down into absolute chaos :D

[โ€“] PsychedSy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 hours ago

Acid, too. Dissociatives for the body as well, to some extent.

[โ€“] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 50 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Not advanced maths per se; neural networks are amazing! Fuzzy matching based on experience - taken to an incredible level. And, tuneable by internal simulation (imagination).

[โ€“] HereIAm@lemmy.world 18 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

Don't be fooled to think computer neural networks is how the brain is structured. Through out history we've always compared the brain to the most advanced technology at the time. From clocks, to computers with short and long term memory, and now to neural networks.

[โ€“] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 6 points 12 hours ago

That is a good point, though the architecture of computer neutral networks is inspired by how we think the brain works, and if I understand correctly there is some definite similarity in the architecture.

Lots of difference though, still!

[โ€“] Zementid@feddit.nl 5 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

I would guess that every statement made is kind of true. It is a clock, a computer and a LLM,...

I would even go as far as LLM is the closest to a functioning brain we can produce from a functional perspective. And even the artificial brains are to complex to understand in detail.

[โ€“] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 3 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

I reckon we can get a lot closer than an LLM in time. For one thing, the mind has particular understanding of interim steps whereas, as I understand it, the LLM has no real concept of meaning between the inputs and the output. Some of this interim is, I think, an important part of how we assess truthfulness of generated ideas before we put them into words.

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[โ€“] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 50 points 23 hours ago (9 children)

The second thing about microslippage is why I, even though I would say I'm transhumanist, would only ever go full cyborg if the robot parts had a sense of touch.

I don't wanna pet my dog and not only not feel their fur, but also end up crushing them with my super strength.

[โ€“] Dasus@lemmy.world 7 points 12 hours ago

Also masturbation might be a challenge in that scenario.

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[โ€“] bitwolf@lemmy.one 45 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I was always amazed at how we can catch objects in flight.

Compared to how long it takes me to calculate projectile momentum in Physics 1

[โ€“] buttfarts@lemy.lol 34 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Or tiny birds that can expertly navigate wind currents with an almond sized brain using real-time force feedback. The computational power at their disposal is very well optimized for what they do.

[โ€“] Dasus@lemmy.world 4 points 12 hours ago

And they can even do that in sync with thousands (and even millions) of other small birds.

[โ€“] PlantDadManGuy@lemmy.world 18 points 22 hours ago

Hummingbirds are fucking incredible. They can literally hover, fly backwards, fly inverted, fly silently, or flap their wings loud enough to generate sound waves as a mating ritual. They're like miniature f-18s dog fighting constantly.

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[โ€“] Mr_Blott@feddit.uk 168 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (15 children)

Another one is levelling.

A lot of people can see a picture frame is about 0.5ยฐ out of level and their fucking eye twitches until they fix it

Me included

That's nuts when you think about it

[โ€“] theneverfox@pawb.social 6 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I remember we once installed something on a beam 40' feet up. While waking through an inspection of many such things, the engineer stops, cocks his head for a second, and says "that's not quite straight"

And then it wasn't. Like a cast of manual breathing, the thing I had been frequently walking past for weeks was suddenly wrong, ever so slightly

[โ€“] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Leave it up to a civil engineer to ruin your day.

[โ€“] theneverfox@pawb.social 1 points 11 hours ago

Nah, we just went up and fixed it. I think I did it while the guy on the ground eyeballed it... It's weird how it's impossible to see up close, but from 40 feet away humans can tell to a fraction of a percent, I was tapping it with a wrench to dial it in based on the intensity of hand gestures. Honestly, we were more impressed by how he spotted it at a glance, it's not like we did shoddy work - it was barely not tongue click, as he put it

It helped that I liked the engineer. Always cheerful and he gave me mini multi tool pliers for my birthday. Totally unexpected and not expensive, but I've got them right next to me right now, I still use them years later. And he was like that to everyone - he was a stickler for the details, but actually took an interest in us as people

Just a good guy all around. It's hard to be upset with someone like that, even when they make you redo work now and then

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[โ€“] thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world 24 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

A lot of it is less math and more just approximations using old data, just fitting a complex statistical model neural nets suck ass at math

[โ€“] scarilog@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

Yeah, your brain is not doing projectile motion equations in real time, it's the same process as teaching a neutral network to approximate a parabola.

Don't get me wrong, it's incredibly impressive that this prediction in our brain requires the visual processing of data from eyes to identify an object flying through the air, moving our hand in a perfect intercept course to catch it. All without having to have a ton of data points to 'train' on.

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[โ€“] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 22 points 23 hours ago

Most people who've been juggling for awhile don't need too much additional practice to be able to do at least a few blindfolded catches just because of how consistent your throws get after awhile.

The other thing that's interesting is how pattern recognition in flying things people aren't generally used to seeing develops. I used to play ultimate, and when people start learning how a frisbee flies they might be susceptible to chasing it down by following along the path of the disc rather than moving directly to where it's going to end up. This is sometimes called dogging the disc because (many) dogs do the same thing. But then you learn to "read" the disc and you can tell by the flight path and angle of the disc where it's going to land.

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