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I used multiple social media platforms and I can say in medium confidence that downvotes are almost useless to see for users.

They are made to influence the algorithm and that's it, if you are really bothered by them it's because you saw something you were never intended to see.

Reddit try to communicate this by showing you only one number for the total score and they are trying to not show you if your post score became in negative.

Matter of fact, I personally find downvotes pretty refreshing for me because I expect to hear something I don't know or a passionate criticism on my opinions or posts.

I think what could discourage me from posting is the lack of comments, not the downvotes.

Note: If you are really bothered about downvotes, you can disable showing down votes on the web client and in the mobile clients by changing that option in the settings.

Downvote if you agree.

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[–] oo1@lemmings.world 1 points 6 hours ago

I am a 5-star man

[–] adhocfungus@midwest.social 16 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

I understand getting upset if you made a good faith argument and it gets a ton of downvotes. I still think it's valid, but I understand why others would disagree.

But people here (and on Reddit) are way too sensitive to them. I have seen too many comments here with "Edit: why am I getting downvoted? Explain yourselves" when it's got 10 upvotes and 2 downvotes.

Some trolls downvote everything. Some people have bots that downvote everything. Some people have bad reading comprehension and will downvote things they would agree with. Once you assume a baseline level of negativity you'll stop taking things personally and start enjoying interactions more.

[–] i_dont_want_to@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Some people just fat finger it too without intending to down vote.

[–] adhocfungus@midwest.social 1 points 15 hours ago

That's true. I accidentally downvote things constantly, but immediately upvote if I notice. How many have I missed? How many upvotes were lost to network traffic even though the downvote made it through? How many people have wasted a portion of their only finite life being upset because my finger was one pixel too far right?

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 2 points 19 hours ago

phone user's struggle

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 2 points 22 hours ago

Some people have bad reading comprehension and will downvote things they would agree with.

Some?

lol

[–] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 5 points 19 hours ago

Are you sure it's not that people who aren't bothered by downvotes disagree with you on how to use social media.

People use these their own way. And good on them, screw what makes some shareholders more money

And because of that, downvotes remain off for me.

[–] Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works 6 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

One instance explained to me that they disabled downvoting because of massive brigading issues due to what they are and what they stand for. I had assumed that everyone over there was just fragile… but apparently it’s a real issue for them folk and that had never occurred to me before.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 6 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

It doesn't take a lot of effort for a few shitty folks to silence people they hate by quickly down voting anything that comes from a small instance. While the instance that I know of disabled the downvotes to improve the experience for users of their instance, I don't see their stuff in the All feed very often so they are probably still being silenced outside their instance.

[–] Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 hours ago

Imagine being so fragile that you can’t even accept that some people live a different way to you and wanting them shut down as a result.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 3 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I heard something similar a while back. They were able to ID patterns of some accounts just essentially doing downvoting and that's it.

I am not sure what the goal is.

[–] Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 hours ago

I can only imagine it is to suppress and marginalise the community… what a shallow life to live.

[–] nimble@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I disagree but my instance has downvotes disabled so i can't downvote you like you've requested :p

[–] Joker@sh.itjust.works 4 points 23 hours ago

I got free Unlimited pure true downvotes on my instance.🫂

[FreeBSD approved virtual hug, No homo]

[–] BonerMan@ani.social 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You can also just stop careing about other peoples opinions in general, 99% of humans suck.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Bonerman is out here asking for 99% of humans to suck him! What a day!

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 2 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

If I had a magic wand I'd make the world suck my dick without a condom on while I'm on the john

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago

If you were taking a poop while doing it, that would be called a "blumpkin".

[–] Free_Opinions@feddit.uk 5 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

We’re as free to stop caring about what other people think as we are to stop enjoying the taste of sugar. It’s not impossible, but it’s incredibly difficult. For most of human history, being disliked or ostracized by those around you often meant death. You don’t just wake up one day and decide to override such a deeply ingrained instinct.

[–] BonerMan@ani.social 2 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

You are less free to not consume sugar as its pushed into everything, you can ignore other peoples opinions.

[–] Free_Opinions@feddit.uk 4 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

You just entirely ignored my argument.

[–] BonerMan@ani.social 2 points 21 hours ago
[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 0 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

You can get ignore other peasant opinion to some degree.

You can't ignore the opinion of the owner class or their regime whores as they will impose it upon you at the barrel of a gun if needed.

I agree with the sentiment thought normies worry too much about what "Joneses" think which owners love it use to market slop to them.

[–] BonerMan@ani.social 0 points 21 hours ago (1 children)
[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 0 points 21 hours ago (1 children)
[–] BonerMan@ani.social 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I think your name should be written on toilet paper.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 1 points 20 hours ago

somebody is prickly today

[–] Blaze@lemmy.cafe 10 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Downvotes bother me because they impact the visibility of my content, especially on small communities

[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world -3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

THIS is the reason.

Downvoting is literally a form of censorship. It's the virtual equivalent of shouting someone down.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 3 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah but if bots are not used and people feel like downvoting it is fair.

Some hot takes deserve to be downvoted at least person gets the idea that opinion is in fact unpopular.

It does get problematic where people down vote in bad faith ie a verifiable fact is provided that they don't like. Which does happen a lot on here and reddit. People care more about their politcal narrative over fact based analysis.

[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

at least person gets the idea that opinion is in fact unpopular

And why is that important?

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

for personal development

we all held opinions that might be wrong and with proper education, they should figured it out

OR

to confirm that gen pop are idiots and need to be educated, ex: current privacy debates and idiots coming up with limp dick

I GoTZ NuFiN tO HiDE, DoNt dO cRiME 🤡

Abortion access debate is starting to make these clowns realize what is at stake, so at least we are making progress on this front.

[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I would prefer that "wrong" people without "proper education" be countered with arguments rather than jeering.

After all, without arguments, who is to say that the person who's wrong is not the one jeering?

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 2 points 19 hours ago

providing proper set of fact and analysis should lead them to educate themselves, is the preferred tactic

but jeering has its place in the process also... if somebody digs in, why not have some fun for the benefit of the audience

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Or perhaps just let people disabled downvotes if they don’t like them :). I’m not hurting you, in fact, I can only upvote.

I don’t like the fact niche hobbyist communities on lemmy often have half their posts downvoted because people saw it on c/all and downvoted for no reason.

[–] Free_Opinions@feddit.uk 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think upvoting and downvoting should remain a feature for sorting posts, but the scores shouldn’t be visible to anyone. Making scores public encourages people to say what’s popular and discourages them from expressing unpopular opinions, even if they believe them to be true. Humans are social creatures, and we care too much about what others think. If you agree or disagree with someone and want them to know, you should tell them directly rather than anonymously ranking them.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 3 points 19 hours ago

No thanks, I enjoy watching tankies and other terrible people get downvoted into oblivion in an exchange with one other poster instead of getting a ton of repetitive replies telling them they are wrong.

[–] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

If you're bothered by social media votes, you need to go outside more.

Social media isn't real. It's a poor simulacrum of human interaction. Find real human beings to interact with and whatever they think of you, tell you, or how they treat you in your face matters.

But whatever people become and how they behave once they hide behind a screen and cast simplistic one-bit click-clicks to express complex human feelings and opinions doesn't.

[–] cRazi_man@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago

It's human nature for people to feel upset by their message being undermined.....but they should be able to get over it.

The bigger problem I have is that the downvoters don't know how to USE downvotes. Instead of downvoting inaccurate content or engaging in any reasoning, people just downvote what they personally don't like and disagree with. Which is bullshit.

[–] jeena@piefed.jeena.net 2 points 1 day ago

PieFed also just shows one number.

[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Downvoting is intolerance made cheap. It's a button to say: "You're wrong, I don't care what you have to say, LA LA LA LA SHUT UP". If you did the equivalent of downvoting in an in-person discussion, you would be an asshole.

But what really annoys me personally (someone else mentions it) is that downvoting reduces the visibility of the downvoted opinion. It's literally soft censorship.

I regularly leave discussions after receiving cheap downvotes in return for my carefully considered contribution. It's a statistical certainty that I'm not the only one.

Downvoters should consider the opportunity cost of their actions for the quality of the discussion they are taking part in.

[–] Klanky@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I tend to downvote obnoxious comments, or ones that it’s clear the commenter is in love with the ‘sound’ of their own voice. I tend to leave the ‘carefully considered’ ones alone because they add to the conversation unless they stray too far into the above categories.

[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Interesting. Of course, "obnoxious" and "in love with their own voice" are highly personal judgements that are pretty vulnerable to motivated reasoning. In other words: if they were making a point that you happened to agree with, perhaps you wouldn't think those things.

[–] Klanky@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I definitely see where you’re coming from. At the same time I don’t tend to get involved in deep discussions where I have strong feelings, on the Internet. I save those for in-person with friends.

I guess I am just very sensitive to tone and (what comes across to me as) arrogant people, and I have downvoted obnoxious comments on all sides of an argument before. I try to be aware of my bias, but nobody’s perfect.

Of course YMMV, but I find blocking people like that (especially on Discord) make my Internet experience much more pleasant.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 0 points 14 hours ago

It's a button to say: "You're wrong, I don't care what you have to say, LA LA LA LA SHUT UP"

Idk, my downvotes mean "ugh".

[–] Sat@lemmynsfw.com -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Joker@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago
  1. Create a browser extension like return YouTube dislike, but for Lemmy.

  2. Pay someone to downvote my post.

  3. Get outside your house at night and scream "I hate you Joker!", hopefully the local news will cover it and then I would hear it and I would know that was you.

  4. Fourth option.

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