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Anon questions our energy sector (slrpnk.net)

submitted 23 hours ago by MataVatnik@lemmy.world to c/science_memes@mander.xyz

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[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 40 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (4 children)

Paraphrased but this is right.

And the people were taught to talk about the horrible nuclear accidents that killed a few but completely glance over the unimaginable millions perished in the name of oil, mustn't even mention the mass extinction events we launched with oil.

We even spread exaggerated bullshit about radiation mutation (wtf? thats superhero comic books fiction!!) and cancer rates (only one really), ignoring how much overwhelmingly more of the both we get from fossil fuel products.

We are like prehistoric people going extinct bcs of the tales how generations ago someone burned down their house so fire bad. Well, actually not like that - we are taking with us a lot of species & entire ecosystems too.

[–] Mbourgon@lemmy.world 12 points 14 hours ago

“Ted Kennedy killed more people than Three Mile Island” - Bumper sticker.

That’s said, I facepalm at Fukushima. And desperately want more modern systems

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[–] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 52 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

You're right to reject the logic behind that because it's nonsense. Its not making sense to them because they still presume some kind of good faith when it come to these sorts of things.

The reason we haven't built more nuclear power stations is because oil, gas and coal companies will make less money, if we build more nuclear power stations.

They have the means, the motive and they have a well recorded history of being that cartoonishly villainous. Nothing else makes sense.

[–] Baylahoo@sh.itjust.works 9 points 12 hours ago

It's crazy that Mr. Burns from the Simpsons was in nuclear and not coal or oil. Probably a product of the propaganda at the time.

[–] Screen_Shatter@lemmy.world 16 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Three Mile Island and Chernobyl really did change things. Prior to those incidents there were plans to build over 50 more nuclear plants in place which got canceled as a result. Currently oil and gas industries will do all they can to keep nuclear from making a come back, but for a long time they didn't have to do shit thanks to those catastrophes.

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[–] Hegar@fedia.io 103 points 20 hours ago (5 children)

Burning down your house doesn't poison people thousands of years later, so it's not a perfect analogy.

Plus we have magic mirrors and magic fans that do the same thing as the magic rocks just way cheaper.

[–] CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world 39 points 18 hours ago (4 children)

We’ve upgraded from burning our houses down to burning our atmosphere down which will absolutely poison humans for centuries to come. And since we now burn larger fires with black rocks, those release far more magic rock dust that poisons people than the magic rock water heaters do. Not to mention that fire has both killed more of us cave dwellers than magic rocks ever have (including the flying weaponry runes made from them) and have caused more ecological disasters, so fire is much worse.

Then we talk magic mirrors, they have evil rocks in them that get in our rivers and we don’t contain well. That aside, we show tradition to our ancestors by making much of them with slavery.

And the magic fans? The design is very human. They’d be a gift from the gods if only the spirit of the wind were always with us.

Summary: Magic rock still good, black rocks and black water make bad fire and hairless monkey make sick more.

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 7 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

This is exactly, factually right, and eloquently put using the same meme terminology people here understand.

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[–] NONE_dc@lemmy.world 122 points 21 hours ago (10 children)

Well, you see, the "Anti Magic Rock" Lobby has immense amount of power because of the money of the still lucrative "burning stuff and pollute everything" business.

[–] SARGE@startrek.website 20 points 17 hours ago

It's the "Burning other magic rocks" party.

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[–] zero_spelled_with_an_ecks@programming.dev 29 points 18 hours ago (7 children)

One time? Wikipedia says over 100 serious incidents and lists about 30 of them. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nuclear_and_radiation_accidents_and_incidents&wprov=rarw1

It's fine if you like nuclear, just don't try and claim it was one time. It poses serious risk and should be treated as such.

[–] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 14 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Look up deaths per kWHr of different energy sources and come back to me

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 11 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

It has that low death rate precisely because it is heavily regulated.

The typical nuclear booster argument works on the following circular logic:

"Nuclear is perfectly safe."

"But that's not the problem with nuclear. The problem with nuclear is its too expensive."

"Nuclear is expensive because it's overly regulated!"

"But nuclear is only safe because of those heavy regulations!"

"We would have everything powered by nuclear by now if it weren't for Greenpeace."

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[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 10 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

The house burning probably happened more than one time too.

wiki/List_of_oil_spills

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[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 15 points 18 hours ago

Most of those didn't involve the magic rocks, and most didn't hurt anyone.

More people die creating the building materials for a powerplant (or a windmills, or a solar panel) than ever during operation. The numbers really don't matter.

I honestly don't care what we do, as long as we stop burning coal, oil and gas. The way I see it, every nuclear plant and windmill means we all die a little later.

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[–] Comment105@lemm.ee 25 points 18 hours ago (12 children)

Not even a joke, that's a very concise way to put the argument.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 17 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Except the retard didn't just burn his house down, he burned thousands of people's houses down in such a way that nobody could ever live there again, and came very close to burning down the whole continent in the same way.

(I'm still in favour of spicy rock steam)

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 15 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Isn't nuclear energy like super safe and have killed incredibly few people compared to all the other energy sources?

Or are you talking about destilling the magic rocks very much and putting them in a bomb?

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 9 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Exactly.

The whole clusterfuck of mishandled Chernobyl cleanup & everything there before and after only claimed a few lives (via direct radiation tissue damage or just accidents).

Compare that with the daily average of thousands of killed in various (ultimately) oil wars.

But we don't even get news about that.

But western propaganda sure showed us malformed babies & claimed it was from radiation - it turns out it was all bullshit, it was always a toxic chemical behind it (unregulated industries selling toxic shit by the tonnes - fertilisers, paints, even biological warfare).

We just take radiation super seriously and completely disregard toxic chemical pollution of eg industrial spillages. People just get to live in polluted areas and die sooner because of that. Instead of living for longer & with less health hazards but with a little radiation.

And lastly - burning coal released way more radiation into air than nuclear accidents.

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[–] kbal@fedia.io 45 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

Step 1: Get magic rocks.

Step 2: Now design the rest of the nuclear reactor.

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