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[–] lengau@midwest.social 19 points 10 hours ago

If they're 4 years old, that makes them generation alpha.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 20 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I get a kick out of the idea that the apes were trying to warm off the humans because the traps are dangerous. Proof that they're able to tell the difference between human poachers and humans they either know are good or that they've never seen before and are effectively "innocent" potential victims.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 21 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Or they don't know that the traps are made by humans.

[–] mihor@lemmy.ml 5 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Indeed, humans are treacherous and sneaky bastards.

[–] SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world 3 points 7 hours ago

Well, according to sources like The Jungle Book and The Lion King, humans aren't the only ones... 🤪

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 7 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

What does this have to do with Gen Z?

[–] CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world 9 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

There's a trope out there that Gen Z has to do everythingbfor themselves because the older generations have failed them so thoroughly.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Weird, the stereotype I've seen everywhere is that they don't know how to do anything for themselves

[–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 6 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I see Boomers saying that....usually calling the 20 year olds "millennials".

Most millennials know they've been dealt an even shittier hand than we were.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 2 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

I see Millenials bemoaning Gen Z helplessness all the time. I think the only generation thinking or Gen Z as capable are the Gen Z themself.

[–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 1 points 3 hours ago

Generalizations only work so well. Some millennials chastise Gen Z and some support them.

I am an Eldritch millennial and everyone that I know thinks Gen Z is pretty awesome. We're just trying to hold the world together for them.

[–] candybrie@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe the people complaining drown out everyone else. But people like David Hogg and Greta Thunberg are Gen Z and out doing more than most to fix the problems they see. Like maybe people complain that Gen Z has no idea what files on a computer are, but that seems like a different thing than helplessness.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 points 8 hours ago

Could be people see Greta as an anomaly rather than representative of her generation. Or as I've often heard, in the sort of patronizing "well isn't that nice that kids are doing that sort of stuff" way.

[–] Eiri@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Both are young. I think that's about it.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 points 10 hours ago

I was expecting there to more to it

[–] Draegur@lemm.ee 3 points 10 hours ago

Feels like a metaphor for Gen Z at large tbh

[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 50 points 1 day ago (1 children)

teach gorillas to make traps to catch poachers

[–] Doom@ttrpg.network 23 points 17 hours ago (1 children)
[–] SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world 5 points 7 hours ago

Quite a few of them, actually - as well as remakes, the more recent of which are actually pretty good & you shouldn't limit yourself to just one if that's all you've seen.

😛

[–] SpatchyIsOnline@lemmy.world 83 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The poachers have just been selectively breeding hyper intelligent apes this whole time

[–] FierySpectre@lemmy.world 14 points 16 hours ago

Literally Darwin

[–] recently_Coco@lemmy.blahaj.zone 126 points 1 day ago (1 children)

something something Gorilla Warfare.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago

I don't think gorillas go to war, but chimps do

[–] Sergio@slrpnk.net 87 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The poachers just taught gorillas how to make traps. Now the gorillas are gonna go full Rambo on them.

[–] nichtburningturtle@feddit.org 61 points 1 day ago

When you're a poacher and the bushes start speaking gorilla.

[–] JargonWagon@lemmy.world 40 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Now the gorillas are gonna go full Congo on them.

FTFY

[–] greedytacothief@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago

Like king Leopold congo? Like where soldiers would only get more bullets if they could prove that the bullet they used killed a person?

[–] einlander@lemmy.world 63 points 1 day ago (1 children)

~~Gen Z Gorillas~~ GorillaZ

[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

GorillaZ?

Nah, both were born in 1968. Early gen X.

[–] sukhmel@programming.dev 3 points 7 hours ago

So, GorrillaX?

[–] Starbuck@lemmy.world 74 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I wanted to confirm this because it was so cool.

The main hit I found was a National Geographic article (paywall it seems) from Jul 18, 2012

Nat Geo Article

[–] Mr_Blott@feddit.uk 58 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Just days after a poacher's snare had killed one of their own, two young mountain gorillas worked together Tuesday to find and destroy traps in their Rwandan forest home, according to conservationists on the scene.

"This is absolutely the first time that we've seen juveniles doing that ... I don't know of any other reports in the world of juveniles destroying snares," said Veronica Vecellio, gorilla program coordinator at the Dian Fossey Gorilla Fund's Karisoke Research Center, located in the reserve where the event took place.

"We are the largest database and observer of wild gorillas ... so I would be very surprised if somebody else has seen that," Vecellio added.

(Also see "Dian Fossey's Gorillas Exhumed for Investigation.")

Bush-meat hunters set thousands of rope-and-branch snares in Rwanda's Volcanoes National Park, where the mountain gorillas live. The traps are intended for antelope and other species but sometimes capture the apes.

Adults are generally strong enough to free themselves. Youngsters aren't always so lucky.

Just last week an ensnared infant named Ngwino, found too late by workers from Karisoke, died of snare-related wounds. Her shoulder had been dislocated during escape attempts, and gangrene had set in after the ropes cut deep into her leg.

The hunters, Vecellio said, seem to have no interest in the gorillas. Even small apes, which would be relatively easy to carry away for sale, are left to die.

(Related pictures: "Baby Gorilla Rescued in Armed Sting Operation.")

All-Natural Arsenal

Poachers build the snares by tying a noose to a branch or a bamboo stalk, Vecellio explained.

Using the rope, they pull the branch downward, bending it. They then use a bent stick or rock to hold the noose to the ground, keeping the branch tense. A sprinkling of vegetation camouflages the noose.

When an animal budges the stick or rock, the branch springs upward, closing the noose around the prey. If the creature is light enough, it will actually be hoisted into the air.

(See National Geographic magazine mountain gorilla pictures.)

Rwema and Dukore Save the Day

Every day trackers from the Karisoke center comb the forest for snares, dismantling them to protect the endangered mountain gorillas, which the International Fund for Nature (IUCN) says face "a very high risk of extinction in the wild."

(Related: "Gorillas Extinct Within Ten Years in Central Africa?")

On Tuesday tracker John Ndayambaje spotted a trap very close to the Kuryama gorilla clan. He moved in to deactivate the snare, but a silverback named Vubu grunted, cautioning Ndayambaje to stay away, Vecellio said.

Suddenly two juveniles—Rwema, a male; and Dukore, a female; both about four years old—ran toward the trap.

As Ndayambaje and a few tourists watched, Rwema jumped on the bent tree branch and broke it, while Dukore freed the noose.

The pair then spied another snare nearby—one the tracker himself had missed—and raced for it. Joined by a third gorilla, a teenager named Tetero, Rwema and Dukore destroyed that trap as well.

Gorilla Tactics

The speed with which everything happened makes Vecellio, the gorilla program coordinator, think this wasn't the first time the young gorillas had outsmarted trappers.

"They were very confident," she said. "They saw what they had to do, they did it, and then they left."

Silverbacks in the Kuryama group have occasionally been caught in the snares, so Vecellio thinks the juveniles would have known the traps are dangerous.

"That's why they destroyed them," Vecellio said.

(Related: "Gorillas Seen Using 'Baby Talk' Gestures—A First [With Video].")

"Quite Ingenious"

Despite the unprecedented nature of the event, Vecellio said she wasn't surprised by the reports. "But," she said, "I'm always amazed and very proud when we can confirm that they are smart."

Veterinarian Mike Cranfield, executive director of the Mountain Gorilla Veterinary Project, also said he wasn't shocked by the news.

"Chimpanzees are always quoted as being the tool users, but I think, when the situation provides itself, gorillas are quite ingenious," he said.

Cranfield speculated that the gorillas may have learned how to destroy traps by watching the Karisoke center's trackers.

"If we could get more of them doing it, it would be great," he joked.

Karisoke's Vecellio, though, said actively instructing the apes would be against the center's ethos.

"No we can't teach them," she said. "We try as much as we can to not interfere with the gorillas. We don't want to affect their natural behavior."

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 hours ago

Karisoke's Vecellio, though, said actively instructing the apes would be against the center's ethos.

"No we can't teach them," she said. "We try as much as we can to not interfere with the gorillas. We don't want to affect their natural behavior."

Better let them die out, huh?

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 8 points 22 hours ago

Using the rope, they pull the branch downward, bending it. They then use a bent stick or rock to hold the noose to the ground, keeping the branch tense. A sprinkling of vegetation camouflages the noose.

When an animal budges the stick or rock, the branch springs upward, closing the noose around the prey. If the creature is light enough, it will actually be hoisted into the air.

I think I've seen this.

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Then they might actually be Gen Z, lol

[–] metaStatic@kbin.earth 10 points 1 day ago

it's account walled, just turn off java script

[–] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 day ago

What if they weren't worried about the humans, but stopped them so they could give the new guys some field training?

[–] dharmacurious@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 day ago

Guerilla Gorilla, guerilla Gorilla not for sale

[–] BambiDiego@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

cries proudly in Harambe

[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 day ago

Now teach them to open migrant camp doors.

[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Arm guerrilla fighters and gorilla fighters

[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 12 points 1 day ago

I favor gorilla tactics in conservation the same as I do in many other respects!

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

A species unburdened by the trappings of social media