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Arab Americans who supported Trump in battleground states like Michigan express concerns over his key appointments, particularly pro-Israel figures like Mike Huckabee, Marco Rubio, and Elise Stefanik, who oppose a two-state solution and back Israel’s actions in Gaza.

While some voters hoped Trump would prioritize peace in the Middle East, his picks have fueled unease about his administration’s direction.

Outreach leaders like Massad Boulos, who engaged Arab American communities during Trump’s campaign, have yet to secure roles, leaving some supporters questioning their expectations of Trump’s policies.

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[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 25 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

some Arab Americans who voted for Trump

I mean, I lack respect for anyone voting against their own interests. The rock you must be living under to vote for this dude with such mountains of bullshit behind him is immense. Maybe some leopard-face-eating will change things.

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[–] El_guapazo@lemmy.world 7 points 13 hours ago

It was a power pyramid scheme. They thought they'd profit from aligning with him. That's the betrayal the leaders are feeling.

[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 17 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Remember how after 9/11 Republicans wanted every Arab and Muslim dead? Did these Arabs forget that?

[–] frostysauce@lemmy.world 5 points 13 hours ago

Remember the fucking Muslim ban during Trump's first term? These people must have.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Voters in general have a memory of a goldfish. People vote on immediate concerns and issue. To be honest, if Democrats had a stronger backbone to stand up to Israel, this would not have happened.

[–] Big_Boss_77@lemmynsfw.com 10 points 15 hours ago

🎼 Don't it always seem to go...

That you don't know what you've got, til it's gone...

🎶 They paved Palestine to put up a parking lot.

[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 6 points 15 hours ago

Some, with faces made of leopard food, considered the slight possibility of maybe one day starting to consider regretting enthusiastic vote for their own faces to be served as main course at leopard dinner...

[–] islands@lemmy.cafe 65 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Did they forget the Muslim travel ban he tried to do in his first term? It was one of the first things he did in office. He has already told you who he is multiple, multiple times.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 32 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Trump just got reelected. America forgot about Trump's first term...

It's absolute insanity...

[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 20 hours ago

America lives its life one quarter ~~mile~~ at a time... Nothing else matters: not the mortgage, not the store, not my team and all their bullshit. For those ~~ten seconds or less~~ three month, I’m free.

[–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 22 hours ago

When you consider the drugs and toxins we consume, it isn’t that surprising. I feel like I blocked out a lot of memories from his first term, but I still had enough left to know it was a nightmare I didn’t want to repeat.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 55 points 1 day ago (1 children)

People kept saying, right up to the election, "don't vote for Harris because she supports genocide."

Those people got what they wanted and yet they're suddenly very unhappy about it. Interesting, isn't it?

[–] superglue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

They were living in their own alternate reality where they changed the system by doing nothing lol

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

My favorite ones were the ones who said to vote third party and when you asked them which candidate, they would say it didn't matter.

Because that's how elections are won.

[–] andrewta@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Notice those people are silent right now.

[–] frostysauce@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago

They were bots. That's why they are silent now.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago

Not all of them, sadly. They've pivoted to "none of this has anything to do with me, all I did was tell people to absolutely not vote for Harris. She's the one who ran a terrible campaign. Also, Trump won't be all that bad."

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 51 points 1 day ago

You were warned.

You refused to listen.

You refused to look at the evidence staring you in the face.

[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 58 points 1 day ago

Leopards got your face eh

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 135 points 1 day ago (1 children)

maaan… how the fuck are people this uninformed about who donald trump is and what he's about? did all these people think supporting him would curry them favor, and make their people safer than if a less insane candidate took office? like, i geuinely don't understand how you hear what this motherfucker says and not realize his whole entire deal i hating people who aren't cishet white men. like i can get my friend who the first ever election she voted in in our country was 2016 when she grew up with different formats of propaganda, but he was president for four years, and this go around he's been more mask off, and the people saying he's dangerous have been more direct in their messaging.

like… how are people this illiterate beyond just reading comprehension? like, why don't you got anything comprehension, what is this?

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 101 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

54% of American adults have the reading comprehnsion skills of a 5th grader, or worse.

How?

Republicans have spent many decades defunding public education, with no effective pushback.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

So true. And getting rid of good teachers through low pay and other disincentives.

My daughter had a completely unqualified "substitute" teacher for her entire sixth grade here in Indiana. Her qualifications? She ran a children's theater troupe in Orange County, CA. Really. Never taught a class in her life, which is why she did at least two blatantly illegal things (only one of which I knew about in time):

  1. Punished my daughter for refusing to say the pledge of allegiance. That was decided as her right by SCOTUS in the 1940s.
  2. Told the kids that the 2020 election was a lie and Trump was the real president.

I wish I had known about the second one during the school year because I read her the riot act on the first one.

And now she's in online school in the 8th grade. It's a public school, but done online. The teachers are accredited, and they are (overall) decent. It is run by Pearson, the evil company that makes the textbooks most public school kids use, so she's learning from the same source as most kids in the U.S.. Since I'm a "learning coach," meaning I make sure she stays on track, I'm reading what they're teaching her and it's ridiculous.

Right now she's doing English grammar. Shit that does not matter outside of academic fields like linguistics, things that are not necessary to know for good writing and reading. You don't have to be able to define a participle to know how to read or to write well. And frankly, it's really fucking confusing to the point that I can't follow it sometimes. Even her teacher keeps screwing it up based on what I overhear while she's doing her lessons. What they do teach about composition is insane and stupid. She's supposed to start a formal essay essay with a "hook," which usually ends in a question mark. So an essay on, say, compound interest is supposed to begin with something like, "do you know people can earn interest on the interest they already earn?" rather than a fucking topic sentence. That's supposed to be the second sentence. She actually got marked down for not having a hook and just starting the essay in an adult manner.

Social studies isn't any better. In fact, it's far worse. They're covering the 19th century right now. First, Washington's entire presidency was one single lesson. Then there was another lesson with 11 very long pages about Marbury vs. Madison (again, mostly an academic topic that Americans only need basic knowledge of). More recently they had four very short pages on the accomplishments of women in the 19th century. Harriet Tubman got two paragraphs.

On top of it, absolutely nothing in either class has any sort of context she can apply to her own life. Does she want to know how the checks and balances system of the U.S. federal government can affect things she cares about? Too bad, they're just going to tell you what they are and move on with maybe a brief explanation of the background rather than the ultimate results. Does she want to know how to keep paragraphs concise and not use ten words when one will do? Too bad, it's time to learn about gerunds. You know how important it is to know what a gerund is, right? College-level English term papers require you to write detailed explanations of such things what with how essential they are.

And I won't even get into the bullshit they teach her about drugs in her health class.

[–] frostysauce@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Dude, that's the stuff you learn in school. What you're describing is pretty much what I remember learning around 8th grade in the '90s.

I don't get why you're so upset, it all sounds perfectly normal to me.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

If your teachers were doing blatantly illegal things in the 1990s, that doesn't make it okay now.

Also, I was in high school in the 90s and that's a load of shit. No one ever taught me anything about a "hook" for an essay question.

[–] rayyy@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Republicans have spent many decades defunding public education

Republicans have also spent many decades developing psychological operations aimed at controlling the news and churches.

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[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 21 points 1 day ago (8 children)

we're going to fix this. i don't know how yet. and it won't be easy. and it won't be short term. but we're going to fix this, so read to a kid. make them remember reading time as the best part of their day. make them love the things AI can't twist: physical artifacts

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

I appreciate your optimism, but my realism says no, no we probably won't.

We've got a maximum of 20 years, probably closer to 10, before millions, and then tens and then hundreds of millions of people around the world will be starving to death and attempting to mass migrate due to climate change, which we will not stop or mitigate.

Governments around the world will continue becoming more authoritarian.

Maybe we can make small, individual differences in our personal lives, but no, barring a worldwide overthrow of capitalism in some way that also does not result in a collapse of mass agriculture...

No, we are looking at famine, destruction and chaos, and decent, critical thought oriented education will be an even more minor funding priority for all but the ruling class and their neo-nobility children.

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[–] scaredoftrumpwinning@lemmy.world 4 points 16 hours ago

If only there was a candidate that said this would happen. Where is the prince from Nigeria when you need some gullible people.

[–] penquin@lemm.ee 78 points 1 day ago

As an Arab-American myself, I say fuck them. They deserve all the shit that's to come their way. The dude said it loud and clear "let Bibi finish the job". I know the Democrats didn't do shit either, but at least they never said they wanted to deport everyone, which means you'll still have a fucking voice. You can protest them when they're in office. He was very clear with his stance on minorities. Some of them argued with me about "nuclear family and religion" and fucking bullshit. Dumbasses, you don't need Trump to have a nuclear family and have your religion. It just never makes sense to me.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 34 points 1 day ago (2 children)

“I just want you to think about what the alternative was,” said Abbas, referring to the current administration’s handling of Israel’s war in Gaza and its invasion of Lebanon. He added, “What did you expect from myself or many members of the community to do?”

I see Abbas is still in the denial stage.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 10 points 18 hours ago

“I just want you to think about what the alternative was,” said Abbas, referring to the current administration’s handling of Israel’s war in Gaza and its invasion of Lebanon. He added, “What did you expect from myself or many members of the community to do?”

"Think of what the alternative is" is exactly what we were saying.

People are stupid. And because of that, we'll suffer an incredible amount of harm that very easily could have been avoided.

They're always so eager to never once think critically and to always let themselves off the hook. I'm sorry, but on the brink of societal and ecological collapse, I equate those who refuse to think with those who actively destroy.

[–] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago

German jews who voted for Hitler got concerned soon after the elections too. Many ethnic Germans too, but all they had to do was say "ich hab es nicht gewust" afterwards. The second World War has been so well documented. Yet many still haven't learned anything from history.

[–] Bonifratz@lemm.ee 34 points 1 day ago

It's fascinating how he didn't permanently lose the vote of the entire US Muslim community when he, you know, tried to institute a Muslim ban.

(I'm aware that "Arab Americans" doesn't equal "Muslim Americans" but there's a lot of overlap.)

[–] candyman337@sh.itjust.works 72 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I don't understand how any Arab American could think Trump would advocate for peace in the middle east.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 53 points 1 day ago (1 children)

he talks about peace, but it's obvious from the context he means the kind of peace hitler meant: the kind where everyone is dead at the end of the grand all consuming war

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 43 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I can’t believe those people took Trump seriously. The same guy who literally instated a muslim ban and uses the words arab/muslim/terrorist interchangeably.

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[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Don't care lol, he's doing what he said he would. Thanks for voting! Enjoy your prize!

[–] andrewta@lemmy.world 5 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Pretty much my attitude. A lot of us warned what would happen. Then they gave the US house , the senate, the office of the president, and by extension the Supreme Court and a number of federal judges to the republicans. Plus a number of state congressional seats to the republicans.

Reap what you sow.

[–] MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

Yeah?

Trump is not concerned with your opinion.

[–] kaitco@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago

“I never thought the Leopards would eat MY face! Even though they specifically said they would and campaigned on eating all faces, I didn’t really think that they would be so focused on eating faces, especially not mine!”

[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

GOOD. fuck everyone who voted for fascism. i look forward to reading about their dismay at the realization of just how fucked we all are

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