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[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

3/4 of volume is taken by wood, what are you, russian logistics officer?

also no way to attach spoon-type igniter, this thing is properly ancient design

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 26 minutes ago* (last edited 25 minutes ago) (1 children)

want longer range? hear me out:

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[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 5 points 21 minutes ago
[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 hours ago

the boys i mean are not refined

[–] traches@sh.itjust.works 17 points 9 hours ago
[–] curiousaur@reddthat.com 24 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

How about just clubbing someone with a live explosive?

[–] trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world 17 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

This only works if you are black and Scottish

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 2 points 14 minutes ago

They got more **** ******** ***** **** *** ******* than they got the likes of me.

[–] glitchdx@lemmy.world 71 points 18 hours ago (14 children)

baseball.

The average American could be expected to already know how to throw a baseball, so it was easier to change the equipment to fit the user than to train every fucking soldier how to throw a lopsided stick.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 1 points 4 minutes ago

Knife juggler here, so I have a lot of experience throwing off-CG objects...

It's not really that different from throwing a baseball. It's a little more difficult to catch, but with very little practice ( like 5 or 10 minutes) you'll be able to do it. That being said, I think the "baseball" style grenades where adopted because they can fit through smaller openings, you can roll or tumble them towards your target, they're harder to see, and harder to scoop up and throw back.

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 24 minutes ago

we are so lucky that basketball wasn't as popular back then

[–] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 11 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

That's a reason for then not now.

Better question is then why didn't Germany stick with the old design instead of switching to more "modern" looking grenades?

And the answer is NOT "baseball". The answer is that they're too heavy and cumbersome. And the cons outweighs the pros.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 points 4 minutes ago* (last edited 3 minutes ago)

The answer is it simplified NATO logistics

Pray we don't simplify it further

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 9 points 5 hours ago

Is this why soldiers in the rest of the world kick their grenades like a soccer ball?

[–] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 24 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

That and all the other reasons. The only stick grenades still around in appreciable numbers are anti-armor grenades where the handle has a parachute inside. For normal fragmentation grenades, essentially everyone has moved to non-stick grenades (except the USMC who want to make stick grenades).

Even in WW2, the Germans produced more of the boring looking Model 39 grenades than they did of the iconic and eye catching stick grenades. People notice what they want to notice.

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 21 minutes ago* (last edited 18 minutes ago) (1 children)

Hungary made stick grenades until relatively recently, but even there stick part is much shorter (M42)

[–] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 1 points 9 minutes ago

Why I hedge with "essentially everyone" because I know some obscure Literally Who is always going to be an exception.

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[–] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 37 points 17 hours ago (1 children)
[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 16 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Wisest wizard gets weird in the marines

It's not weird if the whole squad contribute

[–] jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works 20 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Too many people tried using them as hammers.

[–] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 20 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

TNT filler is very stable. It's fine. I mean, the grenades would not be great as hammers, but they won't explode at a touch.

[–] Tyfud@lemmy.world 55 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

I can carry 8 modern hand grenades, or 2 of those things.

[–] idunnololz@lemmy.world 4 points 9 hours ago

I'm pretty sure you can carry at least 3 of them

[–] IndiBrony@lemmy.world 30 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (3 children)

We should use those ball throwers for dogs. Imagine the distance you could get! Then you could have 8 normal grenades and throw them stupid distances.

[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

What a sick idea. You should always use balls to play fetch with dogs, grenades are way too expensive.

[–] TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works 9 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Ooh good idea. While were at it, why not train some Jai Alai players to be grenadiers.

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[–] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 26 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

An atlatl for grenades!

A splatlatl, if you will.

[–] ReCursing@lemmings.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Genuinely made me actually laugh out loud

[–] TotalFat@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago

aka potato masher

[–] rustyfish@lemmy.world 107 points 21 hours ago (12 children)
[–] idunnololz@lemmy.world 5 points 9 hours ago

Barbed for my pleasure uwu

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 40 points 18 hours ago

This destroys the butthole.

[–] noxy@yiffit.net 14 points 16 hours ago

count to ten

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago

Needs a spike on the handle for that lawn dart aesthetic

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[–] yesman@lemmy.world 72 points 22 hours ago (16 children)

The Germans did have hand grenades without a stick. Their doctrine was the stick type was for offensive operations, and the little one was favored for defense.

I assume this has something to do with the distance you can throw them.

[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 61 points 22 hours ago

Also they're way bigger, taking more space in storage and when in transport

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 57 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (2 children)

We have grenade launchers now.

Someone needs to make one that fires the stick grenades. At 3500 RPM.

[–] SkybreakerEngineer@lemmy.world 46 points 20 hours ago (4 children)

Once again NCD reinvents the bolter

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[–] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 14 points 17 hours ago

Their doctrine was the stick type was for offensive operations

A minor addendum, the M24 and M43 stick grenades both had fragmentation sleeves produced for them. These could be quickly fitted over the grenades to change them from offensive to defensive grenades. Similar to the RGD-33 stick grenades used by the Soviets.

I assume this has something to do with the distance you can throw them.

The difference between offensive and defensive grenades is defined by how much fragmentation they produce. Without a fragmentation sleeve, a German stick grenade produces blast and concussion but very minimal fragmentation, making it's practical danger area smaller. This is good for an offensive grenade where the person throwing it likely has less cover than the person receiving it. A defensive grenade produces fragmentation, and is desired when the person throwing it has cover to hide behind safely.

The non-stick grenade commonly used by the Germans in WW2, was the Model 39 ("egg grenade"), and it actually came in both offensive and defensive flavors. So really, either a stick or egg grenade could be used for either role.

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[–] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 24 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

>can give you pleasure

Are we saying blowing stuff up is fun, or telling you to go fuck yourself with a grenade?

[–] toynbee@lemmy.world 22 points 19 hours ago
[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 32 points 21 hours ago (4 children)

Can give you pleasure

Idk, the round ones do just fine for me, just a bit different form of pleasure.

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