Agree it's easier to get techies on board. With normal people it is kind of a struggle competing and argumenting against the likes of WhatsApp, FB messenger and such. But I totally think it's worth it because privacy.

I host my own XMPP server and I like it (super lightweight and easy to set up), but good god the people that work on XMPP stuff seem to not want it to take off at all. They all complain that everybody is using matrix for some mysterious reason and when you explain that you can’t in good conscience get your friends to switch to it because there aren’t really great iOS apps it’s just a hissy fit about how people should use android instead… which is just not very realistic. Really wish XMPP had a good cross platform client. The client situation is improving rapidly and OMEMO finally mostly works everywhere! But it’d be really nice if there was a consistent client between platforms.

That all sounds really critical, but I really do like XMPP and I really hope it gets better and gains more traction again! We really need good federated chat again, ideally just associated with an email address or something… because the current chat ecosystem is a mess!

slack is the worst team communicate software ever existed. Everything is better than it.

Prosody is amazing and I’m still astounded by how easy it is to get XMPP up and running. That’s great stuff!

the boss could technically read anything we wrote

I guarantee this was a large part of why they forced the switch.

Reminds me of a company I recently got an job interview to (and got declined, but I would've declined anyway).

They were switching around their software every year and are currently in the process of migrating to Teams

@floofloof I would love to move to Matrix/Element but don't know a single person who uses it, so it doesn't seem like it would much benefit me unfortunately. I do still have an account though.

@privsecfoss

It's an ongoing problem on mobile, can be mitigated but yeah, it's an issue

Irc is underrated. Its my example for people getting upset communities are moving to forums instead of the fediverse sometimes because its old that old does not mean outdated.

And don't get me wrong, I really like this communication model, but I would never suggest it for a major software project community. I need things to be fully baked for official adoption. Part of my interest in contributing here is getting us enough critical mass that threadiverse development gets to that fully baked point

This is what I’ve been saying for years. Siskin is pretty good these days, but it’s still not perfect (push notifications with OMEMO have no content). It’s really hard to recommend XMPP to people when the iOS experience is kind of bad (with omemo, anyway).

They took out XMPP years ago. I had a lot of hope for the future when they first federated. Even ran my own server and was able to talk to Google Talk users. Alas...

Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.

Google's messaging play has only gotten worse since then. Oh well.

https://www.rst.software/blog/xmpp-vs-matrix-vs-mqtt-which-instant-messaging-protocol-is-best-for-your-chat-application

TL;DR: Matrix is good for text AND binary data (XMPP is text only) but XMPP is a bit more centralized than matrix, though both work based on federation principles. XMPP is more lightweight but supports more config options.

Omemo is double ratchet and my messages sync to multiple devices. New device can't read old messages sent before exchanging keys with the other clients.

Do we have to give every forum a chat function? I don't want anyone and everyone to be able to dial me up to talk about my internet post history

Considering the fact that there is a special field in user profiles for a Matrix handle, I imagine upstream would prefer something Matrix-y instead.

Of course I can't speak for anyone involved. Especially if someone else is thinking of writing the code themselves.

Matrix is more like IRC or Slack/Discord with a focus on group-chats, while XMPP is more like Signal, WhatsApp or Telegram. XMPP can also do group-chats, but the current clients don't have as much of a focus on it. Otherwise they are pretty similar, but XMPP is overall a much more mature protocol and the software has less bugs and is more performant.

I haven't used Matrix for messaging, so take this with a grain of salt. But xmpp servers and clients seem to be lighter on resources. Matrix has more capabilities for large groups.

It's well worth it.